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From: loststryker at loststryker.net (Simon Lorentsen)
Subject: IRC spying to increase

Yeah the ping can be by passed, but they would need console access to the
irc daemon, which in the case of running an irc network, I don't see that
happening, unless they block ping requests, but then again, they would be
just a normal user, so they wouldn't be able to get invisible in the first
place.

Unless you go on fed run irc networks (imho I know of none run and
maintained by a government agency)

Regards. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Schultz [mailto:aschultz@...o-inc.com] 
Sent: 14 October 2004 23:51
To: Simon Lorentsen
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] IRC spying to increase

That's why I said alittle skill.  Thanks for the info though.  I'm sure the
ping thing could be bypassed somehow 

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Lorentsen [mailto:loststryker@...tstryker.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 3:33 PM
To: Alex Schultz
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] IRC spying to increase

There are some internet relay chat daemons that allow this, but doing a
simple ping to the channel shows them, like unreal and ultimate, or a simple
whois if you know the opers will show them in the channel when they are +I
that you are part of.

It dosent require much skills or programing as a large number of IRCd's will
allow this as the norm.



-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Alex Schultz
Sent: 14 October 2004 22:04
To: Full Disclosure
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] IRC spying to increase

You can hack the ircd to allow an invisible join that allows certain people
to be in a channel, yet not visible.  I first saw this back in like 1997 or
98, so it's very possible.  It just requires a special IRCD and alittle
c/c++ skill. Basically they just created a mode you could assign yourself if
you were an Oper and the ircd wouldn't show you in a channel.

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of KF_lists
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:09 PM
To: Full Disclosure
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] IRC spying to increase

Has anyone heard of "LeechX" its supposed to be a hacked up BitchX client
that ties into a few sniffers that were installed on various efnet boxen.

A few years ago I had an individual named "Basharteg" read me a few lines
from various private chanels as well as some of my own personal
conversations. He claimed this was done via "LeechX". Obviouslty he could
been sniffing from several locations but hell who knows "LeechX" 
could be real I suppose.

-KF


Burnes, James wrote:
> Already been done, and then some...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Ron 
> DuFresne
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:22 PM
> To: Full Disclosure
> Subject: [Full-Disclosure] IRC spying to increase
> 
> 
> October 11, Associated Press - U.S. funds chat-room surveillance
study.
> The
> U.S. government is funding a yearlong study on chat room surveillance 
> under an anti-terrorism program. A Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 
> computer science professor hopes to develop mathematical models that 
> can uncover structure within the scattershot traffic of online public 
> forums.
> Professor
> Bulent Yener will use mathematical models in search of patterns in the

> chatter. Downloading data from selected chat rooms, Yener will track 
> the times that messages were sent, creating a statistical profile of 
> the traffic. "For us, the challenge is to be able to determine, 
> without reading the messages, who is talking to whom," Yener said. The

> $157,673 grant comes from the National Science Foundation's Approaches

> to Combat Terrorism program. It was selected in coordination with the 
> nation's intelligence agencies. Source:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25272-2004Oct11.html
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ron DuFresne

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