full-disclosure - Fw: Will you lot PISS OFF? (Re: Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked)

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From: Matt.Carpenter at alticor.com (Matt.Carpenter@...icor.com)
Subject: Fw: Will you lot PISS OFF?	(Re: Re: Evidence Mounts that
 the Vote Was Hacked)


If you do not wish to participate, ignore it.  Otherwise, get a clue.
Perhaps not all of the discussion is security-related, but this last post
you ranted about has everything to do with security.  Physical and
Technical security.  While the claims which started the discussion are not
necessarily valid for these lists, e-voting is an extremely relevant topic.
Unless a moderator says otherwise, the discussion seems acceptible.



                                                                           
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             11/12/2004 02:43                                           To 
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                                       Will you lot PISS OFF?  (Re:        
                                       [Full-Disclosure] Re: Evidence      
                                       Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked)    
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           
                                                                           




You have sent the attached unsolicited e-mail to an otherwise GOOD security
email list.



NO-ONE outside AMERICA gives a bloody SHIT about the American election
crap! Keep it OFF LIST!

FUCK THE HELL OFF!
----- Message from Matt.Carpenter@...icor.com on Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:48:05
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  To: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu                                              
                                                                           
  cc: Bugtraq <bugtraq@...urityfocus.com>,                                 
      full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com, "Jay D. Dyson"                     
      <jdyson@...achery.net>, jei@...hut.fi                                
                                                                           
 Subj Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Evidence Mounts that the Vote Was Hacked   
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The counting systems mentioned in the article (where the votes from
different counties are tabulated) have nothing to do with
direct-user-contact.

Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote on 11/11/2004 02:22:18 PM:

> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:37:28 EST, Matt.Carpenter@...icor.com said:
>
> > todays hacker community.  But the realities are that we are paranoid
enough
> > to watch access to said systems to avoid at least 99% of local hacking,
> > eliminating that from feasibility.
>
> We are?
>
> At least some of the machines used had active wireless on them - and I'm
> pretty sure that they were *not* on the lookout for somebody out in the
> parking lot (or *inside* the next building over) with a laptop and
> a Pringle's can.
>
> And how, pray tell, do you get "paranoid enough to watch access" to mean
> *anything* when we allow the hacker *physical* *access* *AND* be
unsupervised
> due to the design of the polling booth?
>
>
>
>
>
> [attachment "attk5prp.dat" deleted by Matt Carpenter/IT/Alticor]

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