full-disclosure - FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

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From: jim.tuttle at wesd.org ( Jim Tuttle)
Subject: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

It's agendas like that, that segregate the information and keep it locked up
in secret files that only the "3l33t" you speak of have access too. A
substantial technological selling point for the current governmental
administration recently placed in office. I am not disputing your
professional accreditation or your more-than-real passion for information
disclosure. You have your reasons, and everyone should respect that. I am
just merely asking you to look at where you posted your reply. On FD. In my
last 3 years of network administration and network security, I have no need
to go to any "site" so you say. I just go to my inbox and download my daily
FD, and Bugtraq emails. It's all there, in plain text format. Maybe, if your
agenda is a prominent as your reply made it sound, you should consider
shutting down FD and the rest of the lists. 

In the meantime, hax0rs, phr34k3rs, FXPers carry on. I need your headaches,
haxs, Bots and issues. Otherwise, who knows how I'll pay my bills. And I do
get bored extremely easy. And if you all feel so inclined, post your tactics
and methods to a website, so I can register an account with a bogus email
and educate myself.

No hard feelings n3td3v, this isn't a flame.

Jim Tuttle
Tuttle Information Systems.

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of n3td3v
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:06 AM
To: Todd Towles; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:53:44 +0000, n3td3v <xploitable@...il.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:20 -0600, Todd Towles 
> <toddtowles@...okshires.com> wrote:
> > Well, it is given that posting to FD does give a site exposure (good 
> > and bad). But I wouldn't say that FD was the cause of it..it was the 
> > illegal activity that was the cause of it. We all know SCC does some 
> > underground stuff and they post here each time they move. So...I 
> > wouldn't blame the FD list for anything.
> 
> I wouldn't use the word blame? I think its a good thing if 
> Full-Disclosure is helping to catch online criminals. I don't know if 
> you like malicious hackers and other criminals, but yeah.... I dislike 
> them. I would do anything in my power to stop online crime, from 
> scriptkiddie stuff, to sex stuff,spam,scams, fraud, terrorism and back 
> again.
> 
> I have no space for anyone thinking they are elite and all the other 
> hacker scene crap. Its time to clamp down on the BS thats on the net.
> 
> If I was in gov, I would shut a site down that looks remotely 
> hax0rish, even if they've done nothing wrong. All these crews and 
> hacker groups, fk them all. The net needs zero tollerence with online 
> crime. Govs should have the authority to close anything done because 
> they feel like it, without needing to prove shit.
> 
> I would even close IRC channels. Hackphreak on undernet looks 
> harmless, but fk that. Close it anyway, its time to get a tighter grip 
> on things.
> 
> Thanks,n3td3v

Same for zone-h.org, close the crap down.. f**k anything that looks remotely
hax0rish.

zero-tollerence!!

Thanks,n3td3v

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