full-disclosure - FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

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From: andy at romnet.com (Andrew Silva)
Subject: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

well put.

raza wrote:

>Well as a security professional I can testify that the sites you want
>closed down ie reference to zone-h etc.. Are a valued source of
>knowledge!
>
>Obviously your not plugged into security and as such use these groups to
>talk Shi* and justify your views of closing IRC Channels.
>
>Thankfully your not in government and btw , not all readers on this list
>are in the US , I am  from the UK and its clear to me that you don't
>understand the concept of freedom of information !
>
>r
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
>[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Bruce
>Ediger
>Sent: 17 November 2004 20:29
>To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>Subject: Re: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment
>
>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, n3td3v wrote:
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>>>If I was in gov, I would shut a site down that looks remotely
>>>hax0rish, even if they've done nothing wrong. All these crews and
>>>hacker groups, fk them all. The net needs zero tollerence with
>>>      
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>online
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>>>crime. Govs should have the authority to close anything done because
>>>they feel like it, without needing to prove shit.
>>>
>>>I would even close IRC channels. Hackphreak on undernet looks
>>>harmless, but fk that. Close it anyway, its time to get a tighter
>>>      
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>grip
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>>>on things.
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>>Same for zone-h.org, close the crap down.. f**k anything that looks
>>remotely hax0rish.
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>>
>
>Unfortunately, the US Government operates under the auspices of a small
>document called "The Constitution", and a little concept called "Common
>Law".
>Now, I know that you trendy kids call things like that "quaint" (I
>believe
>that's what our new Attorney general calls things like the Geneva
>Convention.
>See
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/13/wguan13.
>xml&sSheet=/news/2004/06/13/ixworld.html)
>but fortunately for the rest of us, "presumption of innocence" remains
>the standard of the land.
>
>If you small-minded totalitarians don't like that sacred principle, get
>the hell out of the US.  We don't need your kind. Move to some Banana
>Republic where they change the rules all the time in the face of 1000
>years of tradition and philosophy and the Blood of Patriots who died to
>protect these rights.
>
>"Zero tollerence".  What will these doofuses think of next?  I bet they
>start up a cult of personality around the nation's leader, including a
>new salute borrowed from the Romans.
>
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