Message-ID: <OFD85DAA96.6C220B02-ON86256F62.004FA2EB-86256F62.004FED51@kohls.com>
From: Bart.Lansing at kohls.com (Bart.Lansing@...ls.com)
Subject: I'm calling for LycosEU heads and team to 	resign or
 be sacked


full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com wrote on 12/03/2004 07:50:36 PM:

> > And if the spammers don't like my packets being sent to their system,
> > all they have to do is send me a polite e-mail asking to be removed
> > from my flood-list. It is really quite simple!
> 
> Wow.  Obviously you are not responsible for authorizing payment to 
transit
> providers and have no idea how much bandwidth actually might cost an
> organization on a perMonth/perMeg basis.  This would have never had any
> SERIOUS effect on backbone providers but many of their customers who 
don't
> even KNOW they  have someone generating spam from their network would
> unfortunately see a great deal of money lost.
> 
> Why don't you go physically assault a spammer.  Do you physically 
assault
> door-to-door solicitors or do you have a sign on your front porch.

I see...now someone has decided that hyperbole is just what we need...by 
all means let's equate trying to bog a spammer's systems down with 
physical assault.  You can go away now.
> 
> Obviously spam costs all of us $ in some form or another but incurring
> rapidly generated expenses for non-responsible parties to me seems a bit
> cruel.  Do you assault the mailman for delivering junkmail that 
companies
> actually pay the USPS to deliver?

See above reference to going away...or else find coherent and valid 
analogies...thanks for playing.
> 
> /m
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Smith" <tatercrispies@...il.com>
> To: <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] I'm calling for LycosEU heads and team to
> resign or be sacked
> 
> 
> > > I think heads should roll over this. I think its the worst act a
> corporation has ever undertaken in the history of the internet.
> >
> > So speaketh n3td3v, prohpet, visionary, lord and leader of Full
> Disclosure.
> >
> > The Internet has always been about vigilante justice. Aside from
> > exceptionally egregious cases of wrongdoing, like sexually explicit
> > material with children, fraud, or flagrant piracy, the Internet exists
> > and operates beyond the boundaries of any one nation's laws. It is up
> > to the people to self regulate.
> >
> > We have tried politely reasoning with spammers, we have tried ignoring
> > spammers, we have tried _suing_ spammers. We've leisurely worked our
> > way down the tree and are well past any sort of rational recourse. Now
> > people are willing to resort to brute retaliation.
> >
> > When you sign on to the Internet, you accept this implicitly, to some
> > degree or another.  If you screw up, people will blackhole you, flood
> > you, or isolate you. Spammers have been  lapping us in the face for
> > too long, and now the Internet reacts and fights back.
> >
> > Everyone who downloaded that screensaver did so intentionally, this
> > wasn't a trojan operating behind the scenes. The participants were
> > willing combatants. The engine for the battle happened to come from
> > Lycos this time, but there have been other efforts in the past as
> > well.
> >
> > And if the spammers don't like my packets being sent to their system,
> > all they have to do is send me a polite e-mail asking to be removed
> > from my flood-list. It is really quite simple!
> >
> > -Taters
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
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