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From: stevex11 at sbcglobal.net (Steve Kudlak)
Subject: list noise

dcdave@....net wrote:

>I will NOT respond to this; 
>I will NOT respond to this; 
>I will Not respond to this;
>
>dcdave
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> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: phased <phased@...l.ru>
>  
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>>I also care about noise, and responding to stupid mails makes it worse.
>>Every time people send stupid mails like the rm file thing, and people reply to 
>>the list, the author was successful in filling the list with crap for a day or 
>>so.
>>
>>If no one replies, then they dont get attention and the people who know their 
>>advisories(anyone with common sense) are blatantly crap will not be affected by 
>>their nuisance.
>>
>>You always get a load of emails to the list from people who want to tell 
>>everyone they know that an advisory for example was crap, yes we know
>>thank you, but we are not handing out gold stars today!!!
>>No need to tell us all every time!!!
>>
>>phased
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Barrie Dempster <barrie@...oot-robot.net>
>>To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>>Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:36:07 +0000
>>Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Multiple Backdoors found in eEye Products(IRISand 
>>SecureIIS)
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I'd have to agree with the eEye statement on this one. You sent out an
>>>advisory without disclosing the details, which offers no real benefit to
>>>anyone. Many people consider this responsible disclosure but that also
>>>requires you to notify the vendor (there were no @eeye.com's in your
>>>"to" list but there were a couple of press mailboxes).
>>>
>>>You didn't contact eEye, you didn't release details, you used an
>>>anonymous address and failed to mention or credit any of the other guys
>>>in your "testing team", This can only lead us to believe that the
>>>advisory is fake and only intended to generate bad press for eEye. I
>>>personally don't care about eEye's PR rating but I do care about the
>>>level of noise on these lists and I do care about backdoor-ed commercial
>>>products that are in common use. You may have an issue with eEye and see
>>>this as revenge. However, I doubt you also have an issue with the many
>>>admins who probably have spent their holiday season investigating these
>>>claims, when there are likely more pressing matters to address, such as
>>>a large stock of alcohol.
>>>
>>>Show us details, or be quiet. If you intended to embarrass eEye the plan
>>>backfired as any competent professional on this list (there are a few -
>>>I've heard stories about them) would see this as a shameful attempt and
>>>would be laughing at you, not eEye.
>>>
>>>Seasons greetings to eEye and all Full Disclosure subscribers - even you
>>>"Lance Gusto".
>>>
>>>With Regards..
>>>Barrie Dempster (zeedo) - Fortiter et Strenue
>>>
>>>  http://www.bsrf.org.uk
>>>
>>>[ gpg --recv-keys --keyserver www.keyserver.net 0x96025FD0 ]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
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>>    
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Neither Will I!
Neither Will I!
Neither Will I!
Let it Die!
Let it Die!
Let it Die!;)

Have Fun,
Sends Steve

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