Message-ID: <1743511985.20050305020622@phreaker.net>
From: mastah at phreaker.net (Egoist)
Subject: "No such thing as spyware"

Hello Danny,

Saturday, March 5, 2005, 12:26:10 AM, you wrote:

D> From: http://www.viruslist.com/en/weblog

D> Thoughts?

Yes. This text is just waste of writers time.
I dont see useful info/advisory here at all.

D> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
D> No such thing as spyware

D>   Eugene          March 03, 2005 | 22:21  MSK   


D> "The rising number of cyber-criminals creating more and more different
D> malicious programs, attacks and cyber-frauds have resulted in the
D> media and public paying more attention to security issues. New
D> solutions and services, such as patch and vulnerability management,
D> intrusion prevention, etc., appeared during the last year or so.

D> New threats are appearing as well. But are they really all that new?

D> Spyware is a brand new word in the threats list and it is being used
D> widely. Everyone is talking about spyware: many dedicated anti-spyware
D> products have appeared on the market, all of them brand new.

D> But what exactly is spyware? What threats does new term cover? My
D> favorite definition of the term can be found at Information week.

D> "Spyware is software that's installed without your informed consent.
D> Spyware communicates personal, confidential information about you to
D> an attacker. The information might be reports on your Web-surfing
D> habits, or the software might be looking for even more sinister
D> information, such as sniffing out your credit card numbers and
D> reporting those numbers."

D> Exactly. This is a good definition which we can use to describe
D> software designed to spy on user actions and report on infected
D> machines.

D> Did we have such software in the past? Of course we did. The first
D> malicious software designed to spy and steal confidential information
D> was detected back in 1996 - the AOL Password-Stealing Trojans.

D> Have we already seen other malicious programs which can be described
D> as spyware? Certainly! There are many different kinds of Trojans
D> designed to:


D>     * steal passwords/logins (including bank account information)

D>     * log user activity (keyboard, screenshots, applications being run)

D>     * backdoor trojans which have spy abilities

D> Thus, what people are calling spyware is not new at all...

D> Anything else that can be called spyware? Yes. Numerous advertising
D> tools (adware/advware) which report such information as visited Web
D> pages and Web search requests. Sometimes this information is
D> confidential.

D> And there's even more. Legitimate keyloggers for example,
D> freeware/shareware/commercial utilities which log keystrokes and/or
D> monitor other user activities.

D> Are we done? No, there are still more programs that report user
D> information to outside sources. For example, if you post to a forum
D> your email client will report your email address. If you are browsing
D> the Internet your IP address, Windows and browser version can all be
D> logged as you surf.

D> Can we or should we class these programs as spyware? Definitely not.
D> This is where we reach the border between so-called spyware and
D> non-spyware.

D> And the border is fuzzy. Because the issue is not always what the
D> program does, but how it's being used. We call the border-line
D> programs riskware, and detect many of them as 'not-a-virus'. We leave
D> it up to users to decide what to do next: if they want or need the
D> program, they can keep it. However, if it was installed without their
D> consent or is doing something they don't want or need, we find it for
D> them, so they know what's going on in their computer and can make an
D> informed choice.

D> So, technically speaking, spyware simply doesn't exist as a
D> stand-alone cyberthreat.

D> The programs which are being called spyware are, from a technical
D> point of view, simply a limited sub-set of Trojans, advertising
D> software and some riskware:


D>     * Trojan spies and some backdoors

D>     * most adware

D>     * riskware ? potentially hostile programs that require users to
D> make conscious choices about using them

D> In short, there is no such thing as spyware.

D> On the other hand there are many anti-spyware programs produced by
D> vendors who actively promote their products as dedicated anti-spyware
D> solutions.

D> An interesting review was published in latest PC Magazine {USA
D> edition, Feb 22 2005, pages 82-91}. They compared how a number of
D> security suites (anti-viruses) and dedicated anti-spyware products
D> removed so-called spyware. Guess what? Some traditional solutions are
D> better at removing these threats than dedicated ones.

D> Unfortunately, there are no adequate consumer tests to separate
D> effective solutions from ersatz-security programs. In the PC Magazine
D> tests, there were only 24 "spyware" samples tested. In reality, there
D> are hundreds of malicious programs in the wild that fit into this
D> category. For instance, we know of over 200 adware families (with
D> numerous variants in each). We need better and more in-depth tests in
D> the future.

D> To cut a long story short, the term spyware is basically a marketing
D> gimmick: just to separate new ersatz-security products from
D> traditional ones, just to push almost zero-value products to the
D> security market.

D> We need to avoid this trap. There is nothing worse for the computer
D> security community than false alarms and/or users with a misplaced
D> sense of safety."

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 Egoist                            mailto:mastah@...eaker.net

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