full-disclosure - Bios programming...

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Message-ID: <4227DC43.6030902@sbcglobal.net>
From: chromazine at sbcglobal.net (Steve Kudlak)
Subject: Bios programming...

I don't know if I would want to contribute tio something like this. I 
mean this seems like a job for depth psychologists not technical people. 
Remember no matter how noble a cause is in theory providing tools for 
opression is not a good idea.  What you want to do is create unremovable 
spyware. I can't see it as an good.

This will get may off topic. But much of the whole addiction to 
pornography stuff is convincing people something is a problem that 
probably isn't. There will be always be people like the crazy lady who 
got sick because she drank most of  her calories as tomatoe juice. Do I 
want to help someone  make a shopping card to stop the 1:1,000,000,000 
people like her ... the answer is no. If you browbeat people enough you 
can convince them that somehow curious behaior is evil. But that doesn't 
make it so.

I'll shut up now....
I'd rather talk about technical stuff and not opressing humans
or providing tools to do so.

Have Fun,
Sends Steve

Matt Marooney wrote:

>Exactly, thank you Randall.  I appreciate your feedback, I'll check into
>your suggestions further.
>
>I like the way you put, "this is targeted at adults who are trying to
>curb their own behavior".  Seems like this list needs more people like
>that!  ;)
>
>-- Matt
>  
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Randall Perry [mailto:lists@...ain-logic.com] 
>Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:17 PM
>To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>Cc: Matt Marooney
>Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Bios programming... 
>
>
>The program in question is quite legitimate in nature and already exists
>in several forms.
>
>In some instances, it sends the data to 'accountability partners' who
>are your chosen peers that monitor your activity.
>
>Think of it as AA for online porn.  Online porn has become a real
>problem for males age 12 to early 40's. Properly implemented, solutions
>to combat porn are good business. (mind you, this is not 'spyware' for
>parents.  this is targeted at adults who are trying to curb their own
>behavior).
>
>Those who are not aware of that epidemic should sit quietly and not
>scoff at the efforts of others.
>
>As for the function of BIOS, that is the wrong road to go down.
>
>If you are looking for checking if services are disabled, then have a
>bot call home every so often (much like DirectTV PPV).
>
>Any 'net activity could be logged in a seperate file and compared to the
>monitor's activity report (to determine if it was active or not). It
>would purge every 2-3 days to the online site. If you do not have an
>update in 2-3 weeks, then send out an email reminder.
>
>To monitor IP activity, you might want to insert into the tcp/ip stack
>through LSP layers (only for Windows boxes).
>
>This lower level monitoring is harder to disable (but not impossible).
>
>In this scenario you could either choose to redirect/block sites
>(through blacklists or other)
>-or-
>Just log activity, don't block anything and lean towards the
>'accountability' side.
>
>Good luck with the project,
>it sounds noble at root.
>RP
>
>
>  
>