full-disclosure - Wi-fi. Approaching customers

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Message-ID: <4C49470270F5AD43A0BDEA0F130C850B6A7A52@its-emb1.umflint.edu>
From: jlauro at umflint.edu (Lauro, John)
Subject: Wi-fi. Approaching customers

Although not directly liable, you must be able to say who had what IP
at a certain time time when bad activity came from your network...  If
you are unable to provide that information, you are then liable...

We too are semi-open.  You can get a DHCP address, access our public
websites, our DNS servers, etc...  However, to get out to the internet
or to access any non public servers you can't do that without loging
in and having your mac address registered, etc...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk 
> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf 
> Of Soderland, Craig
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:41 PM
> To: Marcus Graf; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Wi-fi. Approaching customers
> 
> Now here's the .90 cent question: 
> 
> If ISP's are not liable for the content across them, and 
> cannot be held liable. 
> 
> And you run an Open WIFI network... 
> 
> Aren't you in effect an ISP Albeit a free one? 
> 
> And if you are an ISP, then wouldn't you, not be liable for 
> content sent across your network. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little 
> temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- 
> Benjamin Franklin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 4:28 PM
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Wi-fi. Approaching customers
> 
> Matthew Sabin wrote:
> 
> > My company has made a conscious decision to leave our WiFi open to
> visitors, while our internal machines connect via IPSec on 
> the open airwaves.
> > A drive-by would show the open nature of our WiFi, but wouldn't
> immediately tell you that we've secured our business fairly well.
> 
> but what if someone uses your unsecured network to download 
> copyrighted material (just mp3s are enough :->) or to send porn?
> 
> An unsecured WiFi may have serious legal consequences.
> 
> And to come back on the original topic: These legal 
> consequences may be good arguments to convince customers that 
> they need to get their network
> 
> secured.
> 
> Ciao
> Marcus
> 
> --
> Hail Eris! Hail Discordia!
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