Message-ID: <82abd3a705040513343caf375e@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue Apr  5 21:34:36 2005
From: mikie.simpson at gmail.com (Michael Simpson)
Subject: RES: CISSP Test

reminds me of the time when my father had all his letters placed after
his name on a letter from the royal college of psychiatrists. He is a
very bright man and had just been made one of the very few general
practitioners (family practitioners) to be made a fellow of the above
college, mainly due to being published in peer reviewed journals every
year since 1971 and running a psychosexual clinic for many years.
Anywho, the nice postman had added the letters C.R.A.P. after the long
list. He laughed, saying that some of the letters had been gleaned
during a time when "they were giving them away if you collected enough
crisp (chip) packets"

my point and his is that it doesn't really matter what goes after your
name as it doesn't mean that much. I myself have MB Ch.B - bachelor of
medicine and surgery and CCNA but neither of these qualifies me to do
anything, my recent experience is much more relevant so you will find
neither of them (or any others that i might accrue because i like the
feeling i get taking exams) in my sig. I would rather that people type
my name into google and find something interesting there

-don't bother, you won't  


On Mar 29, 2005 10:49 PM, J. Oquendo <root@...lrouted.us> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005, R Mondesir wrote:
> 
> > The C.P.A exam for accountants is a better comparison to the CISSP
> > than the Bar exam is for lawyers if we are going to compare industry
> > benchmarks.  Eitherway, an internationally accepted stantard seems
> > inevitable.
> 
> Funny thing is, outside of the USA, I barely see people abroad toss in
> fifty different little signatures when they send out mail.
> 
> Joe Blow
> SCSA, CISSP, CCIE, CCDA, MCSE, FOOL, PWND, OVRKL
> 55 Main Street
> London Bridge
> 
> With the exception of the Cisco certs, I can't recall seeing someone "tag"
> their CISSP status coming from somewhere outside of the United States. Not
> to say it is not important, but sigs (and this is all they mean to me...
> signatures) are becoming overrated and bloated. Its like "Yea well I just
> obtained my Symantec Uber Certified Klassification! Now I can add a SUCK
> to my sig!" Give me a break.
> 
> I should for kicks dig through some of the mailing lists I'm on and point
> fingers at CCDA's, MCSE's, CISSP's, and other little signature devils who
> ask questions a 16 year old can answer. There are those who take tests,
> and there are those who don't.
> 
> I'm sure many on this list know someone who is supposed to know but is
> actually a clueless gimp.
> 
> > > I wholeheartedly agree that there needs to be an industry benchmark,
> > > something that says you cannot operate in this field unless you have passed
> > > x. I'm thinking along the lines of something similar to the Bar exam that
> 
> Industry benchmark? Sure there should be some overall knowledge of just
> about everything but how do you define the unknown which is what most
> computer security is at its core. Well I guess I'm looking at it from a
> Greyhat perspective. How do you expect someone to learn vulnerabilities
> that pop up. It takes a little more than reading and memorizing some book.
> Bottom line in my opinion.
> 
> > > lawyers have to take, or perhaps a license like what doctors are required to
> > > obtain before being able to practice. I fear its going to take something of
> > > that level to truly separate the chaff from the wheat. Anything less and you
> > > only end up with braindumps and bootcampers throwing resume after resume at
> > > you.
> 
> It will not separate any chaff from the wheat. How many people just dive
> into books and pass exams? With the CISSP, one is supposed to have an
> alloted amount of time in the field. Sure lets debunk this moronic notion
> of them validating this... Joe Blow worked for Foo Financial for 10 years.
> 9 of those years where in the mailroom. His brother in law works in the
> compsec department and convinced his boss to `give him a chance`. Joe Blow
> with one year experience studies for that one year. Applies to take the
> test with (get this) 10 years (oh my he has some experience (do he not!)
> under his wing. Joe Blow gets his sig and becomes a sig nazi. Whoopdeedoo.
> So much for standards.
> 
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> J. Oquendo
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> 
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> 
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> character - how he loses shows all" - Mr. Luckey
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