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Date: Wed Jun 15 14:59:46 2005
From: Ken.Stout at clarkeusa.com (Ken Stout)
Subject: In USA the Government Votes for
	YOU?-	Electronic Voting Systems'Security, Report

I think the whole situation in Ohio is being dealt with as it should.  The voting "Irregularities" that this report notes are horribly one sided.  Another interesting document that came from the Ohio Board of Elections documented how these irregularities also occurred in Lucas County.  Ken Blackwell asked for the resignation of the entire county board of elections because of their behavior and said irregularities in the election last year.  Lucas County has long been considered a Democratic stronghold.  Toledo is a big union town with a large blue collar workforce, both of which vote along party lines.

The document I'm talking about is available from the Ohio website. http://serform.sos.state.oh.us/sos/elections/lucas/LucasCountyInvestigationReport.pdf
The interesting parts start on page 3 of that document.

The scary part of this entire situation, with security in mind, Lucas county had the potential to become an enormous voter fraud issue.  All those ballots just sitting in an office behind unlocked doors.

I only ask that people understand the whole story before drawing conclusions.  Yes, Ohio had voting irregularities, but these irregularities affect both sides of the fence. 

But I digress, as this is an info sec forum, not a political commentary arena...

Ken Stout
IT Manager 

Clarke Power Products
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Perrysburg Ohio 43551 

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Electronic Voting Systems'Security, Report


Paul Schmehl wrote:

> Interesting in what way?  There's one unsubstantiated claim of 
> electronic voting machines in one area that "transferred" an unknown 
> number of votes from Kerry to Bush.  The entire rest of the report has 
> to do with procedural complaints that have applicability to any 
> security issues that I'm aware of.  There's no evidence presented of 
> fraud or malfunction issues regarding electronic voting machines other 
> than the single unsubstantiated claim mentioned above.
>
> If you're referring to the broader issue of fairness in elections, 
> I'll get excited about Conyers' report when the Democrats thoroughly 
> investigate Wisconsin and Washington.  Until then, their complaints 
> fall on deaf ears.
>

Wisconsin and Washington are apples and oranges when compared to the 
potential scope of fraud in Ohio or Florida.  Most democrats would agree 
with you, though, that investigations should occur (myself included)... 
that is, non-biased investigations with the intent of finding out any 
errors that actually occurred and repairing them.

Of course, we could just reply to the republican disgust over Washington 
and Wisconsin by just repeating the often used line "Get over it", but 
that would too far expose the hypocrisy of the roght-wing agenda.  And 
that such complaints would fall on deaf ears with you, Paul, is not 
surprising.

In any case, you're right about one thing... as interesting as this 
report is, it's probably not entirely relevent here; but I suspect 
that's not the real reason that you objected to its content.

             -Barry




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