full-disclosure - Cisco IOS Shellcode Presentation

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Message-ID: <42EA73C1.7010006@science.org>
Date: Fri Jul 29 19:21:09 2005
From: jasonc at science.org (Jason Coombs)
Subject: Cisco IOS Shellcode Presentation

Michael Holstein wrote:
> Secrecy and censorship are contrary to the ideals of a democratic society.

Mike,

You don't live in a democratic society. You have representatives and 
laws to make decisions and impose rules of order on others on your 
behalf. Like it or not, if the rules you allow to exist on your behalf 
get violated then there may be swift and decisive retaliation by your 
representative democratic government.

Nobody knows in this case whether the "trade secrets" allegedly "stolen" 
bring this matter into the realm of a criminal offense, or whether this 
is squarely and clearly only a civil matter. Cisco doesn't even know 
whether this is a crime, everyone is fumbling in the dark here.

Reports that the FBI are investigating are therefore believable, and 
prosecution of Lynn for criminal acts is not unlikely depending upon 
whether or not Cisco backs down from their harsh interpretation of what 
happened. In determining whether or not a crime occurred, the existence 
of an entity/person who appears to have been victimized is an important 
factor. You can help your democratic representatives do the right thing 
on your behalf by showing us all conclusive proof that Cisco was not 
victimized in any way by the actions of Lynn or by his disclosures.

Likewise, anyone with information that would show that Cisco is 
knowingly "faking it" by exaggerating their appearance as a "victim" can 
be instrumental in having Cisco prosecuted for abuse of process, or at 
the very least any possible criminal charges against Lynn dropped.

Sincerely,

Jason Coombs
jasonc@...ence.org