full-disclosure - Re: pnp worm unknown variant

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Message-ID: <4302ED9B.7000708@science.org>
Date: Wed Aug 17 08:55:23 2005
From: jasonc at science.org (Jason Coombs)
Subject: Re: pnp worm unknown variant - post
	infectionactions

Aditya Deshmukh wrote:
> suppose we have VNC installed and that is used to take control of the
> computer and the actions show up as done by the user - would it not be
> caught by law enforcement ?

What, you expect them to take an inventory of all of your installed 
software? You think there are "scientific standards" for "computer 
forensic" examinations? Are you expecting law enforcement to also be 
expert infosec gurus and do exhaustive searches through hundreds of 
gigabytes of data looking for the needle in the haystack?

What about Metasploit, which will gladly inject a RAM-only WinVNC server 
and give complete remote control without "installing" WinVNC anywhere on 
the hard drive?

If your Windows box gets owned by such a thing, and you end up accused 
of the crimes that the attacker committed while they were in control of 
your box, you can kiss your ass goodbye.

This is what I'm trying to correct. And I'm not alone, but I am in the 
minority. Your help would be most welcome, but I honestly don't know 
what you can do...

Just be aware, gather proof that "computer forensics" as it is practiced 
today has very serious flaws, and tell others.

I predict that we will see a wave of convictions overturned, and 
prisoners released, based on faulty computer forensic evidence, that 
will make wrongful convictions based on faulty DNA evidence seem 
insignificant by comparison.

Regards,

Jason Coombs
jasonc@...ence.org