full-disclosure - Re: It's not that simple...

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Date: Thu Aug 18 16:06:57 2005
From: pwicks at oxygen.com (James Patterson Wicks)
Subject: Re: It's not that simple...

I would not necessarily say "stupid-admin prone."  My experience shows
that these admins are more lazy/apathetic than stupid.  As you said,
there are a lot of tools and information out there for people who care
to secure their systems properly.  As demonstrated by the problems in
Disney and CNN, some businesses do not put an emphasis on properly
patching and maintaining their Windows until a problem appears.
Stupidity in II administration is not limited to administrators of
Windows systems.

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[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Micheal
Espinola Jr
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 10:51 AM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: It's not that simple...

Exactly.  Because MS is such a stupid-admin prone OS, MS needs to work
harder at making tools like the recent SCW (Security Configuration
Wizard) available to all their OS's - not just the newer ones.

Even though checklists and security docs these days are numerous for
the basics - people aren't looking into them or following them because
of all the manual steps involved.  Things like the SCW need to be
embedded in the OS to make it as idiot proof as possible to apply a
secure configuration.

I think we'll all agree that lots of idiots maintain Microsoft OS's. 
It isn't necessarily MS's fault - but it is a culture that they
cultivated, so they definitely hold some accountability.

On 8/18/05, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:28:04 EDT, Paul Melson said:
> 
> > Very little pity for those who haven't hardened servers and
workstation
> > images this late in the game.
> 
> The problem is that there's literally a half billion workstation
images out
> there, run by people who think "harden" is what pr0n does do them....
> 
> Remember - *most* machines are run by Joe Sixpacks, not trained
sysadmins.
> 
> 
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