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Message-ID: <s30d8d38.072@email_eo.bbcel.co.uk>
Date: Thu Aug 25 09:20:01 2005
From: Stuart.Carter at bbcel.co.uk (Stuart Carter)
Subject: talk.google.com

A good question, Dan, thank you.

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>>> Dan Margolis <dmargoli+lists@....net> 25/08/2005 03:41:55 >>>
>While I'm at it, I wanted to take a stab at Stuart's comment, too.  
>Because I hear more and more of this "Google Watch" nonsense, and I  
>think a lot of it ought to be laid to rest. And my main complaint  
>with all of it is, people who are worked up about this seem to ignore  
>the fact that this is nothing new--how much do you trust your ISP,  
>for instance? Why isn't there a AOL-Time-Warner-watch, when this  
>conglomerate (until AOL gets spun off) controls the Internet access,  
>the TV access, the movies, the magazines, the newspapers, even the  
>published books accessed by so many people? With companies like AOL- 
>Time-Warner, all your media can literally come from a single source.  
>And people are worried about Google storing their e-mail!

My ISP has to comply with European data protection laws.
Google does not.

My ISP does not set "immortal cookies" on my PC.
Google does (... if I allow them, which I do not - Firefox cookie manager is nice!).

I do not use my ISPs email - I use privately hosted email (unlike this which is, obviously, my work email).

My ISP is not trying to build up an ever more complete picture of what I am interested in, so that they can sell me more advertising.

While my ISP has logs of what I do, again, they have to store and purge them in accordance with European data protection laws.

I should state that I am not one of the "Google watch" brigade - I do not feel the need to wear a tinfoil beanie, thankyouverymuch! - but I have concerns that Google, by becoming ever more useful, will actually become a huge threat to our privacy. I am, however, somewhat contrarian and very indivudalistic, so I do not buy into either the "the sun shines out of Google's.. servers!" or the "Google are EEEEVIL!" schools of thought.

I hope this clarifies my position?

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