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Date: Wed Aug 31 08:29:24 2005
From: chromazine at sbcglobal.net (Steve Kudlak)
Subject: Re: JA

Exibar wrote:

>I don't know about y'all, but if I was admin of a public ISP (or whatever),
>I wouldn't want to give anyone the idea that I'm smarter than everyone on
>the list.... that's just begging to be hacked/defaced/owned/etc....
>
> exibar
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Bardus Populus" <disclosure@...kyd.securecoffee.com>
>To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
>Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:02 AM
>Subject: [Full-disclosure] Re: JA
>
>
>admin@....org, please follow your own rules.
>
>"Missouri FreeNet staff and users are both held to the same general rules
>of conduct, as only a uniform policy of openness and respect can be
>reasonably expected to further MFN's goal of universal education."
>
>-bp
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But everyone starting out  goes through this, sometimes we get over it 
pretty fast, with or without any help. I have known a lot of technical 
people over my life and many are pretty arrogant and think highly of 
themselves. I don't think it changes too much. So people get over it and 
calm down, but some people just have to feel their oats. It also depends 
what sort of world one comes out of,  if one has ever met physical 
security types one knows that  they are worse, I mean half the security 
guards act as if they are already police people. Of course the companies 
encourage this. And of course if this person is successful overa;; he or 
she gets accolades and doesn't notice those who don't think highly of 
them. Of course boasting on the net will encourage attacks in many 
cases. So I never screamed about the systems that I admin'd I just read 
the logs and tried to figure out if anyone was getting closer to a 
successful attack. Luckily no one did during my watch as they said.

Have Fun,
Sends Steve