full-disclosure - Re: Call for new mailing lists @ SecurityFocus (X-POST)

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Message-ID: <4316ADCE.1020100@home.nl>
Date: Thu Sep  1 08:29:27 2005
From: frankdewit at home.nl (Frank de Wit)
Subject: Re: Call for new mailing lists @ SecurityFocus
	(X-POST)

That's why I wrote 'before 2003'... reading is difficult, arrogance is 
easy I see in your response, the arrogance of a Symantec I would like to 
say, but you still interest me ;-)
I see differences, it's called delayed disclosure and it's called 
symantec (who has more securityproblems with it's own products than any 
other security software supplier(?) :-) and it's called $ to pay for 
information which used to be free before securityfocus 'went commercial'
http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2002-July/000143.html
remember? that's the moment you went rich and blind :-)
if you don't see it, all that yellow stuff is blinding you or the money 
is blinding you
did the people who contributed to securityfocus got paid when you 
received all those US$ ?
ok that's old cows, let's leave that because we're grownups... at least 
we say we are
do you remember why this full-disclosure list was started in the first 
place?
I do... undelayed, unmoderated, uncensored, disclosure, full if you 
want, room for discussions etc
Why would we need another @securityfocus list if we already have this 
full disclosure list... that's whay I wrote between the lines ;-)
Securityfocus.com was great... until it was bought by Symantec... I saw 
you come, be and die
My opinion, if you don't like it... well... that's life

Alfred Huger wrote:

>
>
> Frank,
>
> It was acquired in 2002 not 2003. If you can actually point to 
> anything differant other than aesthetics I'd be happy to talk about it 
> and even work to change it if it's got merit. I've been here since the 
> begining - given I started it - and I really see little or any 
> differance pre vrs. post Symantec.
>
> -al
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Frank de Wit wrote:
>
>> todo?
>> quit symantec
>> restart the real securityfocus as it was before 2003
>> start fulldisclosure...
>>
>> Alfred Huger wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> As most of you know, some of the strongest value the SecurityFocus
>>> community has to offer is that of our mailing lists. These lists
>>> contribute a vast amount of information and dialogue to the 
>>> community at
>>> large but they are generally held within a finite amount of lists, 
>>> which
>>> changes little (in terms of # of lists) over time. Given this is the 
>>> case
>>> we, every few years, make a call for new mailing lists from the 
>>> community.
>>>
>>> I would like to invite you to send me your thoughts on which new 
>>> mailing lists we should start here. Based off the feedback we 
>>> receive I believe we will launch a number of new lists in the late 
>>> September timeframe. I also urge you to consider becoming a 
>>> moderator for the list(s) you suggest because as a community we are 
>>> only viable if we all make an effort to participate..
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alfred
>>>
>>> Alfred Huger
>>> Symantec Corp.
>>> Sr. Director, Engineering
>>> Response & Global Managed Security Services
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> Alfred Huger
> Symantec Corp.
>