Date: Tue Sep 27 18:20:53 2005
From: andre.ludwig at gmail.com (Andre Ludwig)
Subject: Third issue of the Zone-H Comics

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how fearsome the kiddy defacer has become i mean the above is the same
as taking innocents lives right?  Same as walking into a crowded
nightclub and breathing your last breath as you hit the detonator
taking with you several lives.  I mean copying over or modifying an
html file on a poorly secured server is the same right...

Zone-h does much more of a service then you would think at first
glance.  Just think of all those feds pouring over that site
collecting evidence and building profiles of groups.

Let the kiddies continue to brag,  it makes those poor "i just did
learnded computors" cops have some easy fruit to pick.

To sum it up.. Zone-h no havey the l33t 0dayz spl01tz! and keep an open mind.

i can tell this is going to go no where fast.. anyways to each his own


*l33t p0w3rz enabled*
Dr3
*l33t p0w3rz disabled*


On 9/27/05, str0ke <str0ke@...w0rm.com> wrote:
> It doesn't encourage defacements?  Come on now its a defacement
> archive, ofcourse it encourages defacements.  (Nobody makes me bleed
> my own blood, nobody)
>
> I think I finally agree with n3td3v this time on multiple comments
> minus the terrorist + sucks + other junk) it is a site dedicated to
> defacers who can get the most defacements.)
>
> But thats zone-h's cup of tea not mine, not dogging it just stating
> the facts :)  If we were to say zone-h sucks then we would also state
> that attrition does since they did the exact thing.  (which attrition
> doesn't suck).
>
> /str0ke
>
> On 9/27/05, Richard Horsman <richardh@...-1.com> wrote:
> > n3td3v,
> >
> > I would compare zone-h more to a newspaper than a terrorists site.
> > Newspapers report what is happening in the world whether it's good news
> > or bad news. Zone-h brings news about defacements and other security
> > related issues, it does not encourage defacements.
> >
> > Richh
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> > [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of n3td3v
> > Sent: 27 September 2005 17:10
> > To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Third issue of the Zone-H Comics
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have reviewed your site and it sucks.
> >
> > Looks like you're trying to encourage the activity of webpage
> > defacement and bringing celebrity status to those who can deface/
> > submit the most defacements.
> >
> > You make it look legal by saying the site is useful for research, but
> > really, we all know it encourages the malicious kids who submit to the
> > site. I don't know why the security services in the U.S haven't closed
> > you down.
> >
> > Your site is in comparison to asking terrorist bombers to post suicide
> > bombing videos to a website and asking you to look at it. The only
> > difference here is, Zone-H is about cyber terrorism, rather than
> > terrorism in the real world.
> >
> > Do the U.S security services take cyber terrorism as seriously as real
> > world terrorism? And if they do, Why is Zone-H still online?
> >
> > A journalist should ask that question at Bush's next news conference.
> >
> > Also:
> > Are Zone-H admins about to expand the website to allow for suicide
> > bombing video's, or is that different from the cyber terrorism that
> > your site currently supports. And if you don't support cyber
> > terrorism, then why is Zone-H online and why are you an admin of
> > Zone-H.org
> >
> > Thats all for now,
> >
> > Thanks,
> > n3td3v
> >
> >
> > On 9/27/05, Gerardo 'Astharot' Di Giacomo <astharot@...e-h.org> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >  http://www.zone-h.org
> > >  Gerardo 'Astharot' Di Giacomo - Zone-H Admin
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