full-disclosure - Bigger burger roll needed

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Message-ID: <43453E73.4010001@sdf.lonestar.org>
Date: Thu Oct  6 16:10:58 2005
From: bkfsec at sdf.lonestar.org (bkfsec)
Subject: Bigger burger roll needed

Micheal Espinola Jr wrote:

>I'm not and have not been referring to hackers what-so-ever.  I'm
>referring to poorly written drivers.
>
>You guys are all over the place.  I'm done.
>
>On 10/4/05, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu> wrote:
>  
>
>>On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 08:16:34 EDT, Micheal Espinola Jr said:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Without getting into specifics that no longer matter, surely they
>>>could have did their part better to handle malformed input - but who
>>>was malform'ing the input in the first place?
>>>      
>>>
>>That's right. Blame the hackers.  Sounds like a sound bite from a Ballmer keynote
>>speech. :)
>>
>>    
>>
But, Curmudgeon's right... you can't just say "yeah, the OS can't handle 
malformed data, but that's not their problem."

One of the primary rules of coding is never trust the input.  And that 
is a very valid point.  The same flaws in code that cause exploits also 
cause crashes by their very nature.  It's not "all over the place", it's 
a fact of system design.  If they can't avoid mishandling input, then 
people's expectations will be low.  See how it all comes together?

                   -bkfsec