Message-ID: <017d01c5ce70$8528cdb0$0e3eac18@MLANDE>
Date: Tue Oct 11 15:19:17 2005
From: mlande at bellsouth.net (Mary Landesman)
Subject: PAYPAL security,
	hundred or thausend of buyers under cc fraud

Ever consider the number of PayPal and Amazon users? Of course those names
are going to crop up frequently. My guess is most of the people impacted
also eat beef, drink beer, and like the Rolling Stones. That's all
immaterial.

The point is, it's very clear that not ALL were PayPal and Amazon users.

In fact, not ALL even involved cards used or stored online.

I'm fairly certain not ALL like the Stones, beer, or beef either.

Conversely, CardSystems processed account data for MasterCard, Visa,
American Express, Discover, and others. 40,000,000 (four zero million)
accounts were exposed, 200,000 are known to have been skimmed for certain.
Pretty significant numbers impacting a huge number of people regardless of
where they shop or whether they like the Stones or have a PayPal account.

Try googling that.

-- Mary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ad@...ss101.org>
To: "'Mary Landesman'" <mlande@...lsouth.net>;
<full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] PAYPAL security,hundred or thausend of buyers
under cc fraud


Read all also, if your mind is linked to this post..., it happens too much
to amazon nor paypal buyers... my card is French and not stored too any
online store without amazon or paypal. Try to google "DIGITAL AGE 888", etc,
this is enough yeah to shoot at both companies storing our cc... else let me
know where we have all used our cc card ?

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Mary Landesman [mailto:mlande@...lsouth.net]
Envoy? : mardi 11 octobre 2005 16:00
? : ad@...ss101.org; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Objet : Re: [Full-disclosure] PAYPAL security,hundred or thausend of buyers
under cc fraud

I've spent less than 5 minutes looking through that thread and already have
found a number of posts stating their card was not affiliated with PayPal.
So I have to wonder how you jumped so quickly to that conclusion.

Remember CardSystems - 200,000 credit card accounts were compromised and 40
million accounts exposed just months ago. I think I would put my bet on
something more obvious, like that.

Research is about more than collecting links that backup your viewpoint.

-- Mary

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ad@...ss101.org>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 9:23 AM
Subject: [Full-disclosure] PAYPAL security,hundred or thausend of buyers
under cc fraud


I will explain my small story to show you that using paypal to buy on the
web is risked.
I have buy only 2 things this month, 1 game at steampowered.com and 1GB DDR2
at a respectable ebay store. That was the first time I were using paypal to
pay things on the net and so on it will be the last time..

Today I notice at my bank account a fraudulent debit of 24.99$ coming from a
"DIGITAL AGE 888", and looking on the web, happy to see that there is
hundred maybe thausends of ppl in my case , fraudulent charge of 24.99$ from
a "digital age".

look there:

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14525502?
hilite=digital+age

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14521837?
hilite=digital+age

http://www.robertkbrown.com/2005/10/04/digital_age_fraud.html

after reading all this and comparing with my case, sure it comes from paypal
and the stored cc card.

So if you are under the fraud also like me, fill a complaint to your bank
and there http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp

This was a first and last use of paypal for me, unbelievable ...



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