full-disclosure - FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense

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Message-ID: <20051113220257.GA24709@linux.unixwiz.net>
Date: Sun Nov 13 22:03:24 2005
From: steve at unixwiz.net (Steve Friedl)
Subject: FAO Mark Murtagh from Websense

On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 09:47:17PM +0000, n3td3v wrote:
> Security Researcher who reads news stories, studies hacker techniques
> and trends. Also noticed that online news journalists are using the
> phrase "Security Researcher" as a new name for "hackers". I am
> "Security Researcher" in its true form. I don't subscirbe to online
> media journalists and hackers who have hi-hacked the term security
> researcher to try and hide their true status as "HACKER".

Is there some reason you chose to post a private communications on
a public mailing list beyond trying to reinforce the notion that you
have no sense of professionalism?

OK, fine: I tried. Juveniles can't be reasoned with.

> On 11/13/05, Steve Friedl <steve@...xwiz.net> wrote in a private email:
> > I'm not taking any issue with your position in the security industry,
> > but you're going to find that communicating poorly (including "not even
> > checking for grammer") goes a long way to telling people that you don't
> > wish to be taken seriously.
> >
> > Maybe you're a script kiddie, maybe you're a wannabe, maybe you're
> > the real deal: all we can go by is what springs from your fingers,
> > and everything you write says "wannabe".
> >
> > There are varying standards for good writing: a Quick private IM to
> > a friend is at the bottom of the list, but a public, "Hey, I wrote
> > this" is at the top. It's great to write with passion, and all of us
> > go with the flow when it (thankfully) happens, but none of us would
> > release a paper without making sure the writing looked professional.
> >
> > I think that handles and song lyrics are all really juvenile, but you at
> > least make a pretense at trying to be a real participant in the security
> > industry.
> >
> > The single best thing you could do for yourself and your reputation is
> > to vigorously cultivate your communications skills.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > ---
> > Stephen J Friedl | Security Consultant |  UNIX Wizard  |   +1 714 544-6561
> > www.unixwiz.net  | Tustin, Calif. USA  | Microsoft MVP | steve@...xwiz.net
> >
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