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Date: Wed Nov 23 02:37:11 2005
From: johnnycyberpunk at gmail.com (THC)
Subject: Hacking Boot camps!

I went to a 5-day-boot-camp given by a group called "The Training Camp" -
small class size (7), great hands on, everything worked, 12 hour days, they
covered tools, techniques, evasion, and detection. There was some knowledge
they expected students to already know, such as basic networking concepts,
security practices, and vulnerabilities. As far as I know, everyone
including myself took and passed the CEH exam on the last day of the class.
Are any of us 1337 h@...s now? No. But that was not the point of the class.
If that's what you're looking for, try ImmunitySec.

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From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk [mailto:
full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of c0ntex
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:46 PM
To: K Tucker
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Hacking Boot camps!

 Hmm, there was hands on hacking, but by the company that sold you the

training, it sounds like you got owned by salesman.c.

 Blackhat training camps sound pretty good and some of the people are

pretty damn skilled, but these others Zone-H, Vigilante and the likes

I would avoid..... blind leading the blind if you ask me.

 I'd research who your "mentors" were before even thinking about signing,

 On 22/11/05, K Tucker <ktucker1022@...oo.com> wrote:

> Seems that I read from time to time people asking

> about the merits of these hacker boot camps. It might

> be helpful if I relate my recent experience. I

> attended a 5 day Hacker boot camp conducted by Intense

> school which is part of Vigilar. Cost was $3200,

> which I paid out of my own pocket. The salesman I

> spoke with did a great job selling me on the idea of

> how "hands on" it was going to be and all the tools

> the instructor was going to show us how to use.

> The classes were supposed to be from 8:30am to 6:00pm

> for the 5 days. The instructor didn't show up until

> 4:00 pm due to scheduling conflict. We only received

> 3 hours that day. The following days started at 9:00

> not 8:30 as advertised which might seem like a small

> thing but at $3200 every minute counts! The real

> disappointment was the quality of the class. There was

> little actual lab work. 90% of the class was sitting

> while the instructor read from the class manual while

> we looked at a slide of the same page he was reading.

> Sure it was nice to be read things like "CAIN and ABEL

> is a good program for sniffing networks", but we in

> the class wanted to know how do you use it! We were

> never shown. We did have a little hands on lab work

> which involved ethereal and sam spade and netcat. It

> was hard to get them to work because none of our

> vmware was connected to the network correctly so we

> wasted another hour just trying to get that to work!

> The feeling in the class was that the class computers

> should have been set up and ready to go before we even

> arrived. Friday was the big disappointment. The class

> began at 9:00am and they started the CEH examine at

> 11:00 am. That test only lasts 3 hours so by 2:00pm

> the school was over! Most of the class did not take

> the test because we didn't feel ready. 5 people in the

> class did take it and 2 passed it. Those 2 were very

> experienced in network security. The other 3 failed

> it. I have emailed Intense school 4 times with my

> concerns but have never heard back from them. I guess

> they are not too concerned. My feeling is someone

> would do much better to just get the book "Hacking

> Exposed" and download the suggested tools and play

> with them. You will learn much more and save a lot of

> money!

>

>

>

>

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