full-disclosure - Hacking Boot camps!

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Message-ID: <2be58a30511240143x745de181g3a31e79528b60e52@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu Nov 24 09:43:24 2005
From: infosecbofh at gmail.com (InfoSecBOFH)
Subject: Hacking Boot camps!

Bottom line is... and you can ignore the SANS instructor/SANS zealot post...

SANS = SHIT.

Now that I am in a position with my employer to hire and fire
people... I will not even consider an applicant who touts his SANS
certification as something to be proud of or something to make him
more skilled than the next.

And, now that I am in a senior position at my employer, I am doing
everything I can to stop my employer from paying the EXTORTION fees to
SANS in order to be a part of their what works program and any of
their training.

You know what makes me smile everyday... the knowledge in knowing that
I am not the only senior infosec person at a major corporation who
feels this way about SANS.

Fuck SANS.  FUCK EM ALL!

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sans#without

sans    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (snz, s?)
prep.
Without.

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[Middle English, from Old French, blend of Latin sine, without, and
absenti, in the absence of, ablative of absentia, absence from absns,
absent- present participle of abesse, to be away. See absent.]

On 11/23/05, senator.crabgrass@...cast.net
<senator.crabgrass@...cast.net> wrote:
> Maybe it is not what you know but who you know.  Best of luck with that grail thing, finding it is veiled, holding it is easy, keeping it polished is where the work is.
>
> --
> vote for me
>
>
> > On 11/23/05, senator.crabgrass@...cast.net
> > <senator.crabgrass@...cast.net> wrote:
> > > ... the cert game is nothing more than  a lucrative revenue generator. For
> > either the test givers or the vender pusher or the land of test king.
> >
> > a few respectable names in their roster[1]; i wonder why they don't
> > name the instructor giving each presentation on their conference
> > schedule[2]...
> >
> > i have a theory: the more legitimately skilled you are, the less you
> > instruct and the more you are paid.  a nice way to convert reputation
> > into ca$h!
> >
> > [maybe i can get in on this racket once i attain the holy grail of
> > CPA, GCFW, CISSP, CISM, CISA, CCNA, CCSE, CCSA, GIAC, GCIA, GSNA,
> > GCFA, GCIH, GCUX, GSEC, QUE, WTFBBQ]
> >
> > 1. http://www.sans.org/instructors.php
> > 2. http://www.sans.org/index.php
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