full-disclosure - [Clips] A small editorial about recent events.(fwd)

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Message-ID: <232B7D19-AA13-43E2-8849-538BF720FB63@jcpa.com>
Date: Mon Dec 19 04:37:19 2005
From: jpole at jcpa.com (Jamie C. Pole)
Subject: [Clips] A small editorial about recent
	events.(fwd)


I'm not a blind apologist that is willing to defend everything that  
has been done, but if you want to go down that road, Germany is not  
entirely innocent of human rights violations.

I translate documents for historians, and I can promise that Germany  
has done far worse things.  We are not looking for leibensraum - we  
are just looking to be safe.

Given the history of terrorist activity in Germany, I'm really  
surprised that you feel the way you do - your government is  
benefitting from the intelligence that is being gathered as well.   
Thankfully, Ms. Merkel seems to understand that.

JCP


On Dec 18, 2005, at 10:24 PM, GroundZero Security wrote:

> indeed and thats not the onlyone. in iraq some cap driver got  
> carried away because
> his customer happened to be a terrorist. how should he know ? he  
> got taken to some
> prisoner camp, tortured for 3 months and then when they noticed he  
> isnt a terrorist but
> an ordinary taxi driver, he got sent back home the same whey he got  
> carried away - in chains.
> so much for human rights. thats why those camps arent in usa so u.s  
> law doesnt count.
> its really sad that something like those camps is still possible in  
> our modern times.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl@....org>
> To: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole@...a.com>
> Cc: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about  
> recent events.(fwd)
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2005, Jamie C. Pole wrote:
>>
>>> If you are not a terrorist, and do not associate with terrorists,
>>> you have nothing to worry about.
>>
>> Like the guy we kidnapped in Germany, tortured for a year and then
>> released with a "Oh, wrong guy.  Sorry."?
>>
>> -- 
>> Yours,
>>
>> J.A. Terranson
>> sysadmin@....org
>> 0xBD4A95BF
>>
>>
>> Just once, can't we have a nice polite discussion about
>> the logistics and planning side of large criminal enterprise?
>>
>> - Steve Thompson
>>
>>
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