Message-ID: <063c01c60457$ecf394d0$0100a8c0@nuclearwinter>
Date: Mon Dec 19 04:52:09 2005
From: fd at g-0.org (GroundZero Security)
Subject: [Clips] A small editorial about
	recentevents.(fwd)

well at least our tax money goes back into our own country for the infrastructure etc and
wont be used to kill innocent people. remind me again, how much does your gov spend a year on war industry ?
why the hell do you need so many nukes ? but then bitch if some other country starts to build some.
of course since now you can show off with them and if some country is really pissing you off, hell then you
nuke em. of course if any other country would do the same the us gov would bitch too and point fingers.
since once a country got nukes too usa gets afraid that their actions could have results in their own country.
normally its like usa plays war and at home nothing happens, but if someone ever manages to hit their country
then they'd be whining. reminds me of a really funny thing in iraq war, they send in high tech soldiers but then start
to whine on tv on how about its unfair that the iraqies got night visions (i belive from the russians but i'm not sure).

oh and i just saw your last mail:

>We are not looking for leibensraum - we  
>are just looking to be safe.

yeah right as if that would be true :P your gov knows that war pays off.
many many wars you where in didnt have anything todo with the savety of your own country.

>Given the history of terrorist activity in Germany, I'm really  
>surprised that you feel the way you do - 

lol you mean the RAF stuff ? that was ages ago and we learned from that. or in the 70s at olympia.
sure that was bad since we didnt even have special forces as we werent used to terrorists or war anymore 
we usually dont bother about such things. usa is mainly focused on war industry though.

>your government is benefitting from the intelligence 
>that is being gathered as well.   
>Thankfully, Ms. Merkel seems to understand that.

well sure if you may fed us some pieces but afterall you guys spy on us too
or why do we have an nsa echelon station sitting here in germany ?
hm isnt nsa for national security only why do they opperate international ?
(yes google earth is fun - look near munich its even named)
maybe i'm wrong but i'm not familiar with all your agencies and what they are for.
you cant make us belive that you aint listening on us.
funny thing is also that usa say's they would not spy on other countries. 
i really wonder that by the amount of lies and propaganda comming from your gov
that you feel the way you do. but thats because your in it i guess.
your working directly for the gov/mil as far as it seems?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole@...a.com>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about recentevents.(fwd)


> 
> Was that a joke?
> 
> I love Germany (it's one of the 24 countries that I have worked in,  
> by the way), but be realistic.  All ethnocentrism aside, I'm not sure  
> that welfare economies that tax the living daylights out of those  
> lucky enough to have a job are a good idea.
> 
> JCP
> 
> 
> On Dec 18, 2005, at 10:14 PM, GroundZero Security wrote:
> 
> > "we in the USA are still the luckiest people on  Earth."
> > i would not count on that. i feel much saver/happy here in germany.
> >
> > "We've got it better than any other country on Earth."
> > lol yeah right.. in your dreamworld maybe. did you even leave usa  
> > before ?
> > i doubt that.
> >
> > "If you like some other place better, please feel free to move  
> > yourself there."
> > yes thank you! i like it much more here in my country so i stay :-)
> > i just have to fear that usa starts to take over the world thats  
> > all i have to worry about here.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole@...a.com>
> > To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about  
> > recent events.(fwd)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/11 attacks.
> >> While I agree that giving up (supposedly) certain civil liberties is
> >> most decidedly not a good thing, we need to remember one key point -
> >> the same liberal whiners that are complaining about the monitoring of
> >> certain targeted individuals would be shitting themselves to get in
> >> line to scream about the President not doing enough to protect us if
> >> there was another attack.  This was not a blanket wiretap against
> >> every citizen that made a telephone call to London.  These taps were
> >> conducted under defined circumstances.  If you are not a terrorist,
> >> and do not associate with terrorists, you have nothing to worry
> >> about.  The indignation being shown by the liberals right now is
> >> shocking - this information was not news to anyone within Congress
> >> (from either party) that was in a position to know it.
> >>
> >> What good are civil liberties if you are being buried in a mass grave
> >> as a victim of another terrorist attack?  Are you going to try to
> >> exercise your freedom of speech from beyond the grave?
> >>
> >> I like Perry - he used to work for me back in the 90's, but he is
> >> wrong about this.
> >>
> >> I know all of the cliches about freedom never being lost all at once,
> >> and societies willing to trade freedom for security deserving neither
> >> and having none (I know I butchered that one - my apologies to the
> >> original author), and all of the other little jabs that liberals are
> >> falling back on right now, but like him or not, there has not been
> >> another attack on our homeland since 09/11.  Difficult decisions need
> >> to be made from time to time, and Bush is making them.  I think it's
> >> hysterical that most of the loudest of the loudmouths were strangely
> >> silent when Clinton did many of the same things.
> >>
> >> Even with a government that is actively protecting us from these
> >> terrorist scumbags, we in the USA are still the luckiest people on
> >> Earth.  We've got it better than any other country on Earth.  If you
> >> like some other place better, please feel free to move yourself  
> >> there.
> >>
> >> JCP
> >>
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