Date: Mon Dec 19 04:58:32 2005
From: fd at g-0.org (GroundZero Security)
Subject: [Clips] A small editorial about
	recentevents.(fwd)

>lol you mean the RAF stuff ? that was ages ago and we learned from that. or in the 70s at olympia.
>sure that was bad since we didnt even have special forces as we werent used to terrorists or war anymore 
>we usually dont bother about such things. usa is mainly focused on war industry though

ok sorry i didnt finish this. i didn't have much sleep last night so execuse me please.

what i missed is that we didnt have special forces but we have some now. and i'm very confident they would do a good job.
also if we have a disaster we dont have to wait 6 days for help to arrive i trust my gov on that. i feel pretty save also "if"
a terrorist attack would happen we surely would not invade a country. unless that countries gov is attacking us.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "GroundZero Security" <fd@....org>
To: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole@...a.com>
Cc: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about recentevents.(fwd)


> well at least our tax money goes back into our own country for the infrastructure etc and
> wont be used to kill innocent people. remind me again, how much does your gov spend a year on war industry ?
> why the hell do you need so many nukes ? but then bitch if some other country starts to build some.
> of course since now you can show off with them and if some country is really pissing you off, hell then you
> nuke em. of course if any other country would do the same the us gov would bitch too and point fingers.
> since once a country got nukes too usa gets afraid that their actions could have results in their own country.
> normally its like usa plays war and at home nothing happens, but if someone ever manages to hit their country
> then they'd be whining. reminds me of a really funny thing in iraq war, they send in high tech soldiers but then start
> to whine on tv on how about its unfair that the iraqies got night visions (i belive from the russians but i'm not sure).
> 
> oh and i just saw your last mail:
> 
> >We are not looking for leibensraum - we  
> >are just looking to be safe.
> 
> yeah right as if that would be true :P your gov knows that war pays off.
> many many wars you where in didnt have anything todo with the savety of your own country.
> 
> >Given the history of terrorist activity in Germany, I'm really  
> >surprised that you feel the way you do - 
> 
> lol you mean the RAF stuff ? that was ages ago and we learned from that. or in the 70s at olympia.
> sure that was bad since we didnt even have special forces as we werent used to terrorists or war anymore 
> we usually dont bother about such things. usa is mainly focused on war industry though.
> 
> >your government is benefitting from the intelligence 
> >that is being gathered as well.   
> >Thankfully, Ms. Merkel seems to understand that.
> 
> well sure if you may fed us some pieces but afterall you guys spy on us too
> or why do we have an nsa echelon station sitting here in germany ?
> hm isnt nsa for national security only why do they opperate international ?
> (yes google earth is fun - look near munich its even named)
> maybe i'm wrong but i'm not familiar with all your agencies and what they are for.
> you cant make us belive that you aint listening on us.
> funny thing is also that usa say's they would not spy on other countries. 
> i really wonder that by the amount of lies and propaganda comming from your gov
> that you feel the way you do. but thats because your in it i guess.
> your working directly for the gov/mil as far as it seems?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole@...a.com>
> To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about recentevents.(fwd)
> 
> 
> > 
> > Was that a joke?
> > 
> > I love Germany (it's one of the 24 countries that I have worked in,  
> > by the way), but be realistic.  All ethnocentrism aside, I'm not sure  
> > that welfare economies that tax the living daylights out of those  
> > lucky enough to have a job are a good idea.
> > 
> > JCP
> > 
> > 
> > On Dec 18, 2005, at 10:14 PM, GroundZero Security wrote:
> > 
> > > "we in the USA are still the luckiest people on  Earth."
> > > i would not count on that. i feel much saver/happy here in germany.
> > >
> > > "We've got it better than any other country on Earth."
> > > lol yeah right.. in your dreamworld maybe. did you even leave usa  
> > > before ?
> > > i doubt that.
> > >
> > > "If you like some other place better, please feel free to move  
> > > yourself there."
> > > yes thank you! i like it much more here in my country so i stay :-)
> > > i just have to fear that usa starts to take over the world thats  
> > > all i have to worry about here.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole@...a.com>
> > > To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial about  
> > > recent events.(fwd)
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I'm sorry, but I was also FAR too close to one of the 09/11 attacks.
> > >> While I agree that giving up (supposedly) certain civil liberties is
> > >> most decidedly not a good thing, we need to remember one key point -
> > >> the same liberal whiners that are complaining about the monitoring of
> > >> certain targeted individuals would be shitting themselves to get in
> > >> line to scream about the President not doing enough to protect us if
> > >> there was another attack.  This was not a blanket wiretap against
> > >> every citizen that made a telephone call to London.  These taps were
> > >> conducted under defined circumstances.  If you are not a terrorist,
> > >> and do not associate with terrorists, you have nothing to worry
> > >> about.  The indignation being shown by the liberals right now is
> > >> shocking - this information was not news to anyone within Congress
> > >> (from either party) that was in a position to know it.
> > >>
> > >> What good are civil liberties if you are being buried in a mass grave
> > >> as a victim of another terrorist attack?  Are you going to try to
> > >> exercise your freedom of speech from beyond the grave?
> > >>
> > >> I like Perry - he used to work for me back in the 90's, but he is
> > >> wrong about this.
> > >>
> > >> I know all of the cliches about freedom never being lost all at once,
> > >> and societies willing to trade freedom for security deserving neither
> > >> and having none (I know I butchered that one - my apologies to the
> > >> original author), and all of the other little jabs that liberals are
> > >> falling back on right now, but like him or not, there has not been
> > >> another attack on our homeland since 09/11.  Difficult decisions need
> > >> to be made from time to time, and Bush is making them.  I think it's
> > >> hysterical that most of the loudest of the loudmouths were strangely
> > >> silent when Clinton did many of the same things.
> > >>
> > >> Even with a government that is actively protecting us from these
> > >> terrorist scumbags, we in the USA are still the luckiest people on
> > >> Earth.  We've got it better than any other country on Earth.  If you
> > >> like some other place better, please feel free to move yourself  
> > >> there.
> > >>
> > >> JCP
> > >>
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