Message-ID: <06a601c60465$8a45b530$0100a8c0@nuclearwinter>
Date: Mon Dec 19 06:29:37 2005
From: fd at g-0.org (GroundZero Security)
Subject: [Clips] A small editorialaboutrecentevents.(fwd)

>If you are complaining that the Federal government violated the law  
>and conducted illegal wiretaps, please explain why it would have been  
>okay for the Federal government to break the law by invading  
>Louisiana and taking over relief operations?

let me put it this way. if you break the law to rescue people noone would bitch about it.
that always happens that people bend the rules to rescue people.
thats perfectly fine but invading someones privacy is something different.
the usa can invade any other country, but refuses to "invade" one of their own states for the 
only purpose to help its people without weapons but food? thats redicilous. the usa got so much 
power under their ass, but you want to tell me that the gov cant do anything if one of its states
refuses help ? if the gov really would have wanted they could have helped.
well at least you seem to agree on that this is wrong.

> And had he done that, the liberals would very likely now be asking  
> whether or not it was legal for him to have done so.  For the people  
> that hate President Bush, nothing he does or does not do will be  
> acceptable.  It's as simple as that.

sure, but if he would have done that it would be way less people bitching.
the whole world would have seen bush or the u.s gov cares so much about their peoples
lifes and safety that they bend the rules in order to protect them. for once bush could
have had a good picture in the world media. so while you would have a handfull that 
hate bush anyways arguing about the law (which wouldnt help them as the u.s. court wouldnt listen),
you now got the whole world asking why the fuck they didnt react and tons of american people
who feel left alone. i feel sorry for those poor americans. soon your rights will be all gone
because 'It's just a goddamned piece of paper' no ?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole@...a.com>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorialaboutrecentevents.(fwd)


> 
> You just hit the nail right on the head!
> 
> You CANNOT blame everything on 1 person - including George W. Bush.
> 
> Our "system" absolutely did fail - there is no excusing that fact.   
> There is also no excusing the ignorance of people that want to blame  
> all of the world's woes on George W. Bush.
> 
> As far as the reason it failed (using the hurricane example that you  
> brought up), let's examine some history.  Prior to World War I, there  
> was a country-state called Bavaria - you might know where it is.   
> Bavaria had its own king, it's own military, and its own laws.  What  
> would have happened if some German leader invaded Bavaria to solve a  
> problem?  Now, in modern days, we have a state called Louisiana.  It  
> has its own governor, its own military, and its own laws.  Louisiana  
> had a natural disaster, and their governor refused all help from the  
> Federal government.  The governor's staff also refused all offers for  
> help.  The Federal government did not invade Louisiana because the  
> governor and her staff flatly denied that they needed any help.   
> Meanwhile, the governor of Louisiana and her staff were allowing  
> their constituents to die.
> 
> If you are complaining that the Federal government violated the law  
> and conducted illegal wiretaps, please explain why it would have been  
> okay for the Federal government to break the law by invading  
> Louisiana and taking over relief operations?
> 
> Sorry if this seems simplistic to you, but if the action saves lives,  
> I'm not really going to cry too much about the government breaking a  
> few occasional laws.  I don't like it, but I understand why it is  
> sometimes necessary.  And by the way, I believe that President Bush  
> should have militarized New Orleans when the mayor ignored the signs  
> that the hurricane was going to strike his city.  The mandatory  
> evacuation should have been enforced by the military, and quite a few  
> less people would have died.
> 
> And had he done that, the liberals would very likely now be asking  
> whether or not it was legal for him to have done so.  For the people  
> that hate President Bush, nothing he does or does not do will be  
> acceptable.  It's as simple as that.
> 
> Jamie
> 
> 
> On Dec 18, 2005, at 11:48 PM, GroundZero Security wrote:
> 
> > i doubt that you can blame all on 1 or 2 persons and especially  
> > when a disaster is
> > happening. isnt it sad if your gov can help its military units in  
> > 24 hrs anywhere in the world
> > but it takes more than 6 days for normal people right inside the  
> > country ?
> > making up execuses wont help this was simply a failure of your system.
> >
> > what about the help germany offered ?
> > your gov was rude and didnt even answer us. we offered help the  
> > first day.
> > without your answer we sent water cleaning devices with ships, but  
> > still
> > after 6 days you didnt care about them.
> >
> > your not funny with your sarcasm ..but hey i wouldnt be surprised  
> > if your gov caused
> > such a disaster with one of their stupid tests to mess with the  
> > weather by shooting microwaves
> > or something into the ionosphere. they admited that they dont know  
> > what could happen. nice one.
> > wasnt it HAARP ? i'v been reading about it a while ago but i dont  
> > really remember.
> > i'm not saying that this happened or anything but research is done.
> > actually would be really funny if they caused it themselfs and i  
> > wouldnt be surprised.
> > but hey lets forget about this and go back to the original topic,  
> > shall we ?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jamie C. Pole" <jpole@...a.com>
> > To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 6:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [Clips] A small editorial  
> > aboutrecentevents.(fwd)
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Our Federal government cannot enter a disaster area unless invited by
> >> the governor of the state.  In the case of Katrina, the governor was
> >> more concerned with getting re-elected than she was with saving her
> >> constituents.  Her recently-disclosed email messages prove this.
> >> Also, the mayor ordered a mandatory evacuation (when it was too late
> >> to enforce), but most people didn't leave.  If you place yourself in
> >> harms way, is it the government's responsibility to extricate you?
> >>
> >> The head of FEMA was a bonehead, but that problem has been fixed.
> >> Are you now going to tell me that the US Army Corps of Engineers went
> >> into New Orleans to blow holes in the levees?  Or maybe we caused
> >> hurricane Katrina with our special nuclear-powered hurricane- 
> >> generators?
> >>
> >> Just checking...
> >>
> >> Jamie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 18, 2005, at 10:56 PM, GroundZero Security wrote:
> >>
> >>>> lol you mean the RAF stuff ? that was ages ago and we learned from
> >>>> that. or in the 70s at olympia.
> >>>> sure that was bad since we didnt even have special forces as we
> >>>> werent used to terrorists or war anymore
> >>>> we usually dont bother about such things. usa is mainly focused on
> >>>> war industry though
> >>>
> >>> ok sorry i didnt finish this. i didn't have much sleep last night
> >>> so execuse me please.
> >>>
> >>> what i missed is that we didnt have special forces but we have some
> >>> now. and i'm very confident they would do a good job.
> >>> also if we have a disaster we dont have to wait 6 days for help to
> >>> arrive i trust my gov on that. i feel pretty save also "if"
> >>> a terrorist attack would happen we surely would not invade a
> >>> country. unless that countries gov is attacking us.
> >>>
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