full-disclosure - complaints about the governemnt spying!

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Date: Thu Dec 29 20:29:25 2005
From: leife at dls.net (Leif Ericksen)
Subject: complaints about the governemnt spying!

Actually MOST states in the US require that you have a photo ID if you
are over the age of 18. It can be A Driver License or it can be a
generic state issued ID.  As far as air travel is concerned, a quick
looks see gave me this:
http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?content=090005198004a900

Personally I do not mid the requirement for an ID for air/bus/train
travel.  But if I am driving say from Illinois to Arizona I do not want
to stop at every single states (border) line and show my ID.  That would
be ridiculous.  But for the safety of myself and others on a mass
transit I feel it is fair game.  IF you do not like it drive.

If the airlines start to require a biometric ID (DNA based or otherwise)
then I will complain that is way to far over board.  But asking you for
your passport, DL/or state Id no big deal.


--
Leif

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 13:56 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> --On December 29, 2005 2:05:23 PM -0500 Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:04:43 CST, Leif Ericksen said:
> >> There are those laws that are direct and clear cut, and there are the
> >> ones that takes an act of congress to decide what is legal or not.  ;)
> >
> > And then there are those you're not allowed to even *see*.  In Gilmore v.
> > Ashcroft, the Department of Justice finally consented to allow a *judge*
> > with a security clearance to see the text of the law, but Gilmore and his
> > attorneys are still denied access to what the law says.
> 
> That's a silly misrepresentation of the facts of the case.  There *is* no 
> law requiring the presentation of ID at an airport.  There *is* a law that 
> makes it illegal to hijack a plane, and there *are* security directives, 
> issued by the FAA, which define the means and methods by which the law will 
> be enforced.  Among those is the requirement to show ID upon request.  The 
> security directives are secret because you don't show your hand to the 
> enemy (except if you work for the New York Times.)
> 
> Mr. Gilmore, who is an activist civil libertarian, deliberately entered an 
> airport without an form of ID, then refused to produce ID when requested. 
> When he was then asked to undergo a more thorough screening, he refused 
> that as well.  He was then arrested and removed from the airport.
> 
> Every airport has signs everywhere instructing you to provide a photo ID. 
> Only someone who was deliberately trying to disrupt the system would enter 
> an airport with ID, refuse to show ID, refuse a thorough screening, and 
> then complain when they were arrested - after which they file a lawsuit for 
> large money damages.
> 
> So, while everybody eagerly portrays Mr. Gilmore as an innocent citizen 
> just trying to about his daily life, he was far from it, knew when he 
> entered the airport he was going to cause trouble, deliberately chose to do 
> so anyway and now whines about his rights being violated.
> 
> Paul Schmehl (pauls@...allas.edu)
> Adjunct Information Security Officer
> University of Texas at Dallas
> AVIEN Founding Member
> http://www.utdallas.edu/
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Leif Ericksen <leife@....net>