full-disclosure - complaints about the governemnt spying!

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Message-ID: <1135889258.3318.81.camel@shadrack>
Date: Thu Dec 29 20:47:45 2005
From: leife at dls.net (Leif Ericksen)
Subject: complaints about the governemnt spying!

That is a good question...  but showing and ID is good enough for you to
purchase alcohol if you are 21 or over in the US.  Folks are supposedly
trained to be able to spot fakes as well they have a book available to
compare them against if they are unsure.  

So with a good fake ID a person can make it on the transport.  With a
fake name and a fake id they can again.  It just raises the difficulty
level a bit.

Now with air travel how hard is it for an East German or say a
Palestinian to travel on the Israeli Airlines (what is its name again)
How about even a US citizen of E German decent or has a VISA stamp from
a country that Israel considers hostile.  Personally I would only know
from what I have seen on the net can anybody tell us of first hand
experiences?

--
Leif

On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 12:37 -0800, Benjamin Krueger wrote:
> * Leif Ericksen (leife@....net) [051229 12:29]:
> > Actually MOST states in the US require that you have a photo ID if you
> > are over the age of 18. It can be A Driver License or it can be a
> > generic state issued ID.  As far as air travel is concerned, a quick
> > looks see gave me this:
> > http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?content=090005198004a900
> > 
> > Personally I do not mid the requirement for an ID for air/bus/train
> > travel.  But if I am driving say from Illinois to Arizona I do not want
> > to stop at every single states (border) line and show my ID.  That would
> > be ridiculous.  But for the safety of myself and others on a mass
> > transit I feel it is fair game.  IF you do not like it drive.
> > 
> > If the airlines start to require a biometric ID (DNA based or otherwise)
> > then I will complain that is way to far over board.  But asking you for
> > your passport, DL/or state Id no big deal.
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Leif
> 
> How does showing ID to an official make anyone safer?
> 
-- 
Leif Ericksen <leife@....net>