Message-ID: <1135889889.3318.89.camel@shadrack>
Date: Thu Dec 29 20:58:19 2005
From: leife at dls.net (Leif Ericksen)
Subject: complaints about the governemnt spying!

This one I could not leave alone....

Speaking of the terrorist COWARDS.  If their cause is so just and noble
to their God, how come they have to hide their faces under a black hood.
I equate them to nothing less the a group we had in and sadly still can
find here in the US at times.  I might make some enemies now...  The KKK
yep the Terrorists that hide under a hood are no different that the KKK.
If there case is so just why do they not show us their faces.  a stupid
low life COWARD that is all a terrorist is.  They would never be willing
to take a person on bare handed and hand to hand.


--
lhe
On Thu, 2005-12-29 at 14:37 -0600, Paul Schmehl wrote:
> --On December 29, 2005 3:06:35 PM -0500 Michael Holstein 
> <michael.holstein@...ohio.edu> wrote:
> 
> >> The security directives are secret because you don't
> >> show your hand to the enemy (except if you work for the New York Times.)
> >
> > Uh huh .. so the newspaper informing the public about an illegal
> > government program (after holding the article for a year at the
> > government's request) is "helping the enemy"
> >
> Yes, because 1) the program isn't illegal and 2) the program was top 
> secret.  In order for the Times to print the story, they had to encourage 
> people who had sworn a secrecy oath to break the law.  Then, knowing that 
> what they were publishing would tip off the terrorists to what the 
> government was doing to capture them, they published it anyway.
> 
> And the funniest thing of all is that they got stupid Americans all riled 
> about about civil and privacy rights in the process, completely losing 
> track of what's really important - preventing another attack on our soil.
> 
> Or have you already forgetten that terrorists have been killing us (and 
> many others around the world) since the 1970's without pause?  Do I really 
> need to publish the litany of people that have died - people like Leon 
> Klinghoeffer, a wheelchair-bound elderly Jew who was pushed off a boat to 
> drown in the ocean simply because he was a Jew?  People like Petty Officer 
> Stethem who was beaten, shot in the head and dumped on the airport tarmac 
> for the crime of being a member of the US military?  Do we really need to 
> review the bloody history of Islamic terrorism for you to get the point?
> 
> Thousands had died before 9/11, yet the world slept.  Now the world is 
> going back to sleep, insisting that the *real* problem is repressive 
> governments, not people who slaughter innocent men, women and children of 
> every race, creed, nationality and sex without discrimination and without 
> mercy.
> 
> > It seems so many have forgotten who the true enemy is.
> >
> Yes, they have.  Especially the anti-war bozos who think they can tame a 
> Zarqawi by giving in to his demands.  And apparently many more who think 
> terrorism is no menace at all.
> 
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> > safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Jefferson, 1759).
> >
> Note the modifiers "essential" and "temporary".  You give up liberties all 
> the time for the better of society.  Or have you forgotten that you can get 
> a ticket for speeding, be arrested for getting drunk or go to jail for 
> burning down your own house?
> 
> Society has rules for a reason.  Sometimes those rules impose limits on 
> what you can and can't do.  We could remove the ID checks for airports and 
> just let the terrorists blow planes up willy-nilly.  I suppose there are 
> some people who wouldn't be too bothered by that, so long as it isn't the 
> plane they are on that's being blown up.
> 
> Paul Schmehl (pauls@...allas.edu)
> Adjunct Information Security Officer
> University of Texas at Dallas
> AVIEN Founding Member
> http://www.utdallas.edu/
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Leif Ericksen <leife@....net>

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