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Message-ID: <8C7EB3FA071B2D5-864-46F5@mblk-r18.sysops.aol.com>
Date: Thu Jan 19 18:45:40 2006
From: greybrimstone at aim.com (greybrimstone@....com)
Subject: Vulnerability/Penetration Testing Tools 

Alright,
  I've made an observation. Full Disclosure is a list where emails and 
subjects evolve into new emails and subjects which are not directly 
related to the first subject or email. For example, this one has 
evolved into a discussion about overhead, development and other such 
things. Really, its quite interesting. ;[

 -Adriel

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
 To: Madison, Marc <mmadison@...i.com>
 Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
 Sent: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:14:24 -0500
 Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Vulnerability/Penetration Testing Tools

 On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:13:05 CST, "Madison, Marc" said:
 > H D, my apologize. My FD emails were out of order, and I took your
  > response out of context. If your looking for a script that will 
combine
 > MetaSploit, and Nessus then BidiBLAH will work. Still for $10 grand I
  > would suggest taking a scripting class at your local college so you 
can
 > make your own BidiBlah.
 >
 > Math:
 > BidiBLAH: $10,000
 > College scripting class: $350
 >
 > The knowledge you'll gain for ever, priceless.

  Something to keep in mind however - many people make that comparison, 
and
 don't calculate the *TOTAL* cost.

  If your developer is getting paid $60K/year, the *encumbered* cost 
(benefits,
  office, etc) is close to twice that. And if he's writing an in-house 
BidiBLAh,
 that's time he's *not* writing stuff you *can't* buy off-the-shelf.
 As a result, it breaks out as:

 BidiBLAH: $10,000

 scripting clss: $350
 6 man-weeks time: $15,000

  OK? Got that? Suddenly doesn't look like such a good deal, does it? 
Maybe
  you *should* just buy BidiBLAH, and have that guy coding that custom 
interface
 between two in-house systems instead....

  (And don't say "I only pay my developer $30K, so he can take 2 
man-months to
  do it" - the kind of developer you can keep for $30K is probably going 
to take
 a lot more than twice as long as the $60K developer.....)

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