full-disclosure - Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices

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Date: Fri Jan 20 03:01:21 2006
From: full-disclosure2 at pchandyman.com.au (Greg)
Subject: Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stan Bubrouski [mailto:stan.bubrouski@...il.com] 
> Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 8:37 AM
> To: Greg
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices
> 
> 
> On 1/19/06, Greg <full-disclosure2@...andyman.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> > > [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On 
> Behalf Of Stan 
> > > Bubrouski
> > > Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 7:51 AM
> > > To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> > > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1/19/06, Dave Korn <davek_throwaway@...mail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Stan Bubrouski wrote in 
> > > > news:122827b90601190801w2a7f8206h5d8973cf6b240788@...l.gmail.com
> > > > > As cruel as that last message was I'm sick of the ZA 
> pros here 
> > > > > saying its perfect, its not, far from it.
> > > >
> > > >   Since nobody has ever claimed that ZA is perfect, in
> > > saying this you
> > > > prove
> > >
> > > Yeah I didn't literally mean perfect, only that certain 
> people seem 
> > > to argue that everyone's complaints about ZA aren't real because 
> > > they don't experience them.  What proof
> >
> >
> > Actually, seeing no-one actually said that, I suppose that is a 
> > pointer towards you REALLY meaning that YOU cant make the prog do 
> > something therefore no-one can.
> 
> I said it slowed down IE on machines here and some apps 
> wouldn't start.  Where did I claim that everyone had this 
> problem?  Again just because something doesn't affect you 
> doesn't mean ZA isn't at fault... unless you are sitting at 
> the exact same computer as me I don't see how you can know this...
> 
> <SNIP useful text that should have been sent in separate message>
> 
> 
> > > could I profer here?  Some flawed benchmark?  A video?  
> Why would I 
> > > bother you assume I'm lying anyways.
> > >
> > > > that your claims are either lies or hyperbole.  If you 
> can't argue 
> > > > with what
> > >
> > > So because you think that one sentence is misleading (in 
> retrospect 
> > > 'perfect' was not a good word choice), everything else I 
> said must 
> > > be untrue.  Sigh.
> > >
> > > > people actually said, making up things that they didn't say is 
> > > > fatuously dishonest.
> > >
> > > You are the one being dishonest and the one exaggerating 
> here.  You 
> > > take something too literally, and call people
> >
> > Actually, I would have to agree with him that it was you 
> doing that. 
> > You either lied or exaggerated above as I pointed out. Deal with it.
> 
> How selectively we read.  He accused me of lying about using 
> the word perfect (I didn't mean it literally) and then said 
> my claims that ZA slowed down IE and caused some apps not to 
> load here are either lies or exaggerated because he says so.  
> And now because you say so... you've convinced me!  Is there 
> some benchmark you'd like me to run to prove it to you?
> 


I don't think anymore needs be said. Your mistakes, above, are enough to
condemn you by your own word so for the sake of not making this any worse,
we'll leave it here.