Date: Tue Jan 24 14:44:14 2006
From: greybrimstone at aim.com (greybrimstone@....com)
Subject: Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices

Nancy,
     Check out bullgard for your home/personal firewall/av/etc. Its 
rather decent for your average mom/pop/home user.

-Adriel

-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Kramer <nekramer@...dtheater.net>
To: hummer@...eranger.com; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Sent: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 02:42:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices

   I guess I will stick with Kasperky which will probably phone home to 
Russia or something. Does anyone have any experience with the Firewall 
that comes with paid AVG? I just run free AVG currently on most 
computers so have not used it .

 Regards,

 Nancy Kramer

 At 01:15 AM 1/20/2006, hummer@...eranger.com wrote:

  >I have been following this discussion waiting for someone to mention 
>another "feature" of Zone Alarm:
 >Posted January 13, 3:00 a.m. PST Pacific Time,
 >ROBERT X. CRINGELY http://www.infoworld.com/
 >
  >A Perfect Spy? It seems that ZoneAlarm Security Suite has been 
phoning
 >home, even when told not to. Last fall, InfoWorld Senior Contributing
 >Editor James Borck discovered ZA 6.0 was surreptitiously sending
  >encrypted data back to four different servers, despite disabling all 
of
  >the suite's communications options. Zone Labs denied the flaw for 
nearly
  >two months, then eventually chalked it up to a "bug" in the software 
--
 >even though instructions to contact the servers were set out in the
  >program's XML code. A company spokesmodel says a fix for the flaw 
will
 >be coming soon and worried users can get around the bug by modifying
 >their Host file settings. However, there's no truth to the rumor that
 >the NSA used ZoneAlarm to spy on U.S. citizens.
 >
 >
 >:)
 >
 >Hummer
  >----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Kramer" 
<nekramer@...dtheater.net>
  >To: "Greg" <full-disclosure2@...andyman.com.au>; 
><full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
 >Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:27 PM
 >Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices
 >
 >
  >>I have the paid ZA but I heard the free one was better. Have no idea 
 >>about that but would never buy the paid version again. At least now I 
 >>know what was happening. Will try to look for that feature and set it 
to >>the maximum minutes. I only have it on my laptop which only goes 
on the >>internet sporadically but generally goes on the internet on 
public >>wireless networks which I think may not be all that secure. 
Lots of >>times I am meeting with someone there and we talk and then 
lookup >>something on the internet. I could see how time could pass 
quickly and I >>might not touch the computer for awhile. Thanks for the 
explanation.
 >>
 >>Regards,
 >>
 >>Nancy Kramer
 >>
 >>
 >> At 10:10 PM 1/19/2006, Greg wrote:
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>> > -----Original Message-----
 >>> > From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
 >>> > [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf
 >>> > Of Nancy Kramer
 >>> > Sent: Friday, 20 January 2006 2:30 PM
 >>> > To: Stan Bubrouski; full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
 >>> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Re: Re: PC Firewall Choices
 >>> >
 >>> >
 >>> > I admit I know nothing about firewalls but with ZA I have had
 >>> > to shut it
 >>> > down sometimes to go onto the internet. I have no idea why.
 >>> > I just can't
 >>> > get on and when I shut it down I can.
 >>> >
 >>>
  >>>That'd be a well known and never fixed bug I reported to Zonelabs 
some years
  >>>back now. It has a feature to automatically lock internet 
connection after
  >>>so many minutes of inactivity. The length of time can be changed by 
the
  >>>user. What it REALLY did was cut off access to internet and any LAN 
you were
  >>>on, isolating you entirely and never actually let go of it when the 
user was
  >>>back at the keyboard. Exiting ZA let that go and internet and lan 
were
  >>>restored. You have the option to turn that feature OFF but even 
that didn't
  >>>stop the whole thing happening. So, about the only thing you could 
do was to
  >>>set the auto lock as high as it could go and turn the feature off. 
It would
  >>>still go off after that many minutes had passed (which I believe is 
999 in
  >>>the PRO version and 99 in the free version) and lock you out again 
but it
 >>>was delayed by that much, at least.
 >>>
  >>>You CAN set certain programs to pass by its' lock, however. So, if 
you have
  >>>some computers almost always chattering away on a distributed 
project but
  >>>otherwise not touched, you could allow those programs to pass on 
even
  >>>though, should you attempt to get out with a simple web browser 
(where it
  >>>wasn't allowed to pass the lock), you cant. Saves some stuffing 
about on
  >>>such machines and let's face it - the more "free" some company 
execs see,
  >>>the more likely they are to use it. Surprising how many Windows 
based
 >>>companies use free ZA.
 >>>
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