Message-ID: <43DFE570.7010000@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Tue Jan 31 22:32:29 2006
From: chromazine at sbcglobal.net (Steve Kudlak)
Subject: I stole code


Well ok let's see. I am disabled now, so keeping a regular schedule is 
out; Doing 14 hour days except when I want them is out;  So I teach 
meteorlogy by presenation to kiddies, I always justify it by saying I 
provide a drain for their youthful energies and they don't do worse 
things. . Anyway I used to work in the Silicon Valley and in the well 
off school academia that surrounds it. The very thing you describe was 
done a lot. There was a lot of diuscussion about people lifting code out 
of the academic world and inserting it into corporate software that was 
protected by this, that and the other thing. There is grump among 
computer graphics people about Lucasfilm grabbing lots of the good 
computer graphics people at Stanford and various places there around and 
hiding them behind all sorts of non-disclosure agreements. So to be very 
new age about it, I wouldn't beat yourself up over it.

IF any of that stuff really works and is of interest then just publish 
it. I wouldn't hide things that much. I would keep too many easy to use 
toy like tools out of the hands of script kiddies but that is no reason 
to hide the good stuff.  I kind of giggle and laugh at the macho 
posturing of some hackers. Heaven knows I started in the land of PDP10s 
and DECSYSTEM 20s and ITS, TENEX, TOPS-20 and the like and hacker was a 
term to was mostly a compliment.  It didn't involve putting the letter x 
in words and getting  haxxors or whatever, but that would have been 
thought of as cute.

Overall open source is better. I have my big catch all windows file in 
WORD and word crashes all the time when opening this file. SO I have to 
figure out why it crashes and what is messing up and all of that. It 
isn't easy and in fact it's a pain in the you know where. I am perfecly 
playing fast and loose sometimes but overall I do want to do that all 
the time. So overall I would say be honestly open source is a good idea.

Have Fun,
Semds Steve


Simon wrote:

>Hello,
>my name is Simon, founder of segfault.ch and wireless-bern.ch
>In this mail i want to admit that i copyed other people's code. 
>I took code, edited the headers and printfs,  removed the real 
>author's name and added my own. Almost all codes and
>papers on my Site (http://www.segfault.ch) were written by some else.
>The only thing that came from me were the segfault.ch ASCII and the
>printfs with my name.
>
>llfe.c by Danny from:
>http://packetstorm.linuxsecurity.com/UNIX/penetration/log-wipers/lastlog.txt
>
>shellcodes (connectback-x86-fbsd.c, dumb-portbind-x86-fbsd.c,
>        portbind-x86-fbsd.c, shellspawn-x86-fbsd.c) by fli from:
>http://shapeshifter.se/code/shellcodes/shellcodes/
>
>iwconfig-local-r00t-sploit.c by qnix from:
>http://milw0rm.com/id.php?id=1215
>
>shoutcast_expl.c by crash-x from:
>http://0x41414141.net/~crash-x/code/shoutcast_expl.c
>
>Remote.doc from:
>http://www.heise.de/security/artikel/61945/1
>
>b0f_11.txt from:
>http://ww.packetstormsecurity.nl/shellcode/bish.c
>http://community.core-sdi.com/~gera/InsecureProgramming/
>http://www.l0t3k.net/biblio/b0f/en/bufferexploit.txt
>
>
>Even the design of http://simon.segfault.ch was stolen and on my site i
>said:
>
>"Welcome to the official Website of Simon Moser. My major focus is to
>search for common security vulnerabilities and Reverse engineering.  On
>my Website, you will find Software and Papers, which were released by
>me. They should provide you with knowledge and the ability to check for
>security problems. Nevermind, I am a fucking god at computers, so do
>not test me bitch!"
>
>Yes, most things were released by me, but they were not mine. And of
>course I'm not a god in computers, but rather a god in stealing code.
>
>I want to apologise to everyone, who I stole from. And I want to thank
>the people who got me back to earth and reality from the heaven.
>
>My recommendations to all are:
>Don't publish your exploits! There are too many people like me!
>Beat all code thiefs up!
>
>Regards, Simon <Zodiac> Moser
>  
>
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