full-disclosure - FrSIRT Puts Exploits up for Sale

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Message-ID: <000f01c6498a$79b7f010$6702a8c0@island55>
Date: Fri Mar 17 06:17:45 2006
From: steven at lovebug.org (Steven)
Subject: FrSIRT Puts Exploits up for Sale

For sale?  I wonder how many people are actually going to pay.  All they did 
was subscribe to security mailing list and archive stuff that's already out 
there.  Not to mention you can find all of these exploits elsewhere or you 
can just google for:

site:frsirt.com + inurl:exploits

There are cached pages for all of their exploits.  Sounds a little 
ridiculous to put stuff they took from elsewhere up for sale.

Oh well.. if it works then what can I say?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rembrandt@...erlin.de>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] FrSIRT Puts Exploits up for Sale


>
>> Ivan . wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1938511,00.asp
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>> Out of curriosity... what right does an author have to ask that they NOT
>> sell his or her materials?
>> Does french copyright law support any such author rights?
>>
>> I personally do not like the thought of Fr-Sirt profiting from my
>> work... especially after the way they seem to have disrespected authors
>> like myself in the past.
>>
>> -KF
>
> During European Laws (in mostly ALL countries the same):
>
> If you puplish something without a license it is OPEN DOMAIN
> That means people can use it, modify it, sell it...
> BUT
> There`s one BIG exception:
> The Author can prohebit it! And if the autor didn`t made a clear point
> (e.g. that his stuff can get sold) it must get mentioned like a "NO"
> (contract laws. Like: if you change parts of a contract and you don?t get
> an answer it must get noticed as "NO" (something even the german telekom
> had to learn...)).
>
> So as long as the original author didn`t angreed it`s totaly illegal to
> sell the stuff.
> Exeption: E.g. you burn a lot Puplic-Domain stuff on a CD and you sell the
> whole CD for e.g. 1-3 EUR (to cover the cost of a CD+energy you needed to
> burn it. This is NOT valid for downloads).
>
> Another law:
> If a german sues Frist he`ll sue them in germany. If this german is the
> original author the judgement will be clear.. and Frist will have another
> problem... So autors don?t have to care where the company is from.
>
> All the stuff -> Add some "As far as I know...."
> Laws change.. but something never changes..
>
> Rembrandt
>
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