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Date: Sun Mar 26 12:37:13 2006
From: ad at heapoverflow.com (ad@...poverflow.com)
Subject: Industry calls on Microsoft to scrap Patch
	Tuesday for Critical flaws

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well for me n3td3v and probably a lot here , you are in the junk
settings because I think most FD list is really pissed off your
international kiddie attitude...

n3td3v wrote:
> Sorry to say the n3td3v group involves employees (rogue) who have
> called for this. You can ringgle and ranggle your poltical point of
> users within the MS not having enough time scale to promote to a
> certain issue, but thats complete crap. One reason being the folks
> within the n3td3v group are actually people from MS, YAHOO, AOL, etc
> already. The folks at n3td3v group are part of the industry already,
> for you to put your point across mr Valdis is cool, but the n3td3v
> group if you hadent realised before is part of a between the major
> dot coms.
>
> On 3/26/06, *Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
> <mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>* <Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu
> <mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu>> wrote:
>
>     On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:12:23 GMT, n3td3v said:
>
>     > You Microsoft must officially agree that all flaws marked as
>     "Critical" must
>     > have a patch within 7 to 14 days of public disclosure.
>
>     OK... Nice try.
>
>     Too bad you didn't add a requirement that the patch actually be
>     *correct*.
>
>     Also, you're totally overlooking the fact that *sometimes*,
>     fixing a problem
>     requires some major re-architecting - for instance, if an API
>     has to be changed,
>     then *every* caller has to be updated, and quite possibly
>     re-designed, and
>     the changes have an annoying tendency to ripple outward (if
>     subroutine A
>     has a 7th parameter added, then everybody who calls A has to be
>     updated.  And
>     it's likely that you'll find routines B, C, and D that have no
>     *idea* what the
>     correct value of the parameter should be, because they don't
>     have access to the
>     data - so now callers of B, C, and D have to pass another
>     parameter that gets
>     passed to A).
>
>     Any company that will commit to a "must" on this one is
>     nuts.  It's a good
>     target, but making it mandatory is just asking companies to ship
>     a half-baked
>     patch that seems to fix the PoC rather than the underlying
>     design flaw.
>
>     And going back and reviewing the patch history on IE is
>     instructive - more than
>     once, Microsoft has released a patch for a known Javascript
>     flaw, only to find
>     out within a week that a very slight change would make the
>     exploit work again.
>
>     Is that *really* what you want?  It's certainly not what *I*
>     want.  Waiting
>     another 3-4 days past your arbitrary 14-day limit for a *good*
>     patch is certainly
>     preferable for those of us who actually have to deal with this
>     stuff for a living,
>     rather than hide out on a Yahoo group.
>
>
>
>
>
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