full-disclosure - Re: SendGate: Sendmail Multiple Vulnerabilities (Race Condition DoS, Memory Jumps, Integer Overflow)

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Message-ID: <20060327181940.GA18499@pint.candc.home>
Date: Mon Mar 27 19:46:28 2006
From: cokane at cokane.org (Coleman Kane)
Subject: Re: SendGate: Sendmail Multiple Vulnerabilities
	(Race Condition DoS, Memory Jumps, Integer Overflow)

On Fri, Mar 24, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Gadi Evron wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Theo de Raadt wrote:
> > > Sendmail is, as we know, the most used daemon for SMTP in the world. This
> > > is an International Infrastructure vulnerability and should have been
> > > treated that way. It wasn't. It was handled not only poorly, but
> > > irresponsibly.
> > 
> > You would probably expect me to the be last person to say that Sendmail
> > is perfectly within their rights.  I have had a lot of problems with
> > what they are doing.
> > 
> > But what did you pay for Sendmail?  Was it a dollar, or was it more?  Let
> > me guess.  It was much less than a dollar.  I bet you paid nothing.
> > 
> > So does anyone owe you anything, let alone a particular process which
> > you demand with such length?
> 
> So you are basically saying open source free software can't be trusted to
> hold high standards or be reliable or secure if I don't pay for it?
> 

Uhh.... I think the point is (and the one that I live by) that if it is
not supported, then it cannot maintain high standards of security and
reliability. 

> 
> > 
> > Now, the same holds true with OpenSSH.  I'll tell you what.  If there
> > is ever a security problem (again :) in OpenSSH we will disclose it
> > exactly like we want, and in no other way, and quite frankly since
> > noone has ever paid a cent for it's development they have nothing they
> > can say about it.
> > 
> > Dear non-paying user -- please remember your place.
> > 
> > Or run something else.
> > 
> > OK?
> > 
> > Luckily within a few months you will be able to tell Sendmail how
> > to disclose their bugs because their next version is going to come
> > out with a much more commercial licence.  Then you can pay for it,
> > and then you can complain too.
> > 
>