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Message-ID: <4429BE1B.6030406@ddplus.net>
Date: Wed Mar 29 00:12:48 2006
From: dinis at ddplus.net (Dinis Cruz)
Subject: Re: [OWASP-LEADERS] Re: [Owasp-dotnet] RE: [SC-L]
 4 Questions: Latest
 IE vulnerability, Firefox vs IE security, Uservs Admin risk profile, and
 browsers coded in 100% Managed Verifiable code

Hello Stephen ,


Stephen de Vries wrote:
> I had the same intuition about the verifier, but have just tested this
> and it is not the case.  It seems that the -noverify is the default
> setting! 

Thanks for confirming this (I wonder how many other other Java
developers are aware of this (especially the ones not focused on
security)).

Stephen, do you have any idea of what is the current percentage of 'real
world' Java applications are executed:

    a) with verification

    b) on a secure sandbox

Note that for example I have seen several Java Based Financial
Applications which are executed on the client which either require local
installation (via setup.exe / App.msi) or require that the user grants
that Java application more permissions that the ones allocated to a
normal Sandboxed browser based Java App.

> If you want to verify classes loaded from the local filesystem, then
> you need to explicitly add -verify to the cmd line.  I tested this by
> compiling 2 classes where one accesses a public member of the other. 
> Then recompiled the other and changed the method access to private. 
> Tested on:
> Jdk 1.4.2 Mac OS X
> Jdk 1.5.0 Mac OS X
> Jdk 1.5.0 Win XP
>
> all behave the same.
>
> [~/data/dev/applettest/src]java -cp . FullApp
> Noone can access me!!
> [~/data/dev/applettest/src]java -cp . -verify FullApp
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.IllegalAccessError: tried to
> access field MyData.secret from class FullApp at
> FullApp.main(FullApp.java:23)
>
Humm, this is indeed interesting. Ironically, the 1.1 and 2.0 versions
of the CLR will thrown an exception in this case (even in Full Trust).
Since verification is not performed on that .Net Assembly, the CLR might
pick up this information when it is resolving the method's relative
address into the real physical addresses (i.e. during JIT).
> Using the same code with an Applet loaded from the filesystem throws
> an IllegalAccessError exception as it should.
>
What do you mean by 'Applet loaded from the filesystem'?

Where? In a Browser?

Best regards

Dinis Cruz
Owasp .Net Project
www.owasp.net