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Message-ID: <A7BEF0BF368B584BBBADD65ED076AECC07C0CB49@O2MAIL.oxygen.corp>
Date: Wed Apr 19 04:49:07 2006
From: pwicks at oxygen.com (J. Patterson Wicks)
Subject: re: Dude! Amigo! [Was: Re: [funsec]Universityof
	South Carolina e-Mail Co

While this thread has nothing to do with computer/network security, I
just hate it when political statements are contextually incomplete.
Bush was not responsible for NAFTA, but he was responsible for CAFTA-DR.
The Central America-Dominican Republic-United States Free Trade
Agreement (CAFTA-DR) includes seven signatories: the United States,
Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, and
Nicaragua. The U.S. Congress approved the CAFTA-DR in July 2005 and the
President signed it into law on August 2, 2005.
(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050802-2.html)

Was this agreement better or worse than NAFTA?  Who knows?  This is not
a statement for or against President Bush, and it is also not a
statement for or against NAFTA or CAFTA-DR.  Both agreements are more
about sugar exports than tech jobs outsourcing.  

Now can we please get back to hacking and leave trade agreements to
http://www.willson1918.com.

- Pat Wicks

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Neil
Davis
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 2:59 PM
To: Steven Rakick
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] re: Dude! Amigo! [Was: Re:
[funsec]Universityof South Carolina e-Mail Co

Prime Minister eh?
I'm such a hoser. He was still blaming the wrong guy for NAFTA, though
the current Bush is a NAFTA fanboi too.
They should just change the name of the country to "The United
Corporations of America" or "The Corporate States of America" and get
it over with.

On 4/17/06, Steven Rakick <stevenrakick@...oo.com> wrote:
> In an effort to keep the facts straight, Canada
> doesn't have a President, they have a Prime Minister.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk
> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@...ts.grok.org.uk] On
> Behalf Of Neil Davis
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 11:42 AM
> To: Dave Alanis
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk; Fergie
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] re: Dude! Amigo! [Was:
> Re: [funsec] Universityof South Carolina e-Mail Co
>
> I'm not a fan of dubya, but NAFTA was passed during
> the Clinton administration...
> It was the initially pursued by George H.W. Bush
> (dubya senior) and the Canadian president but it
> didn't get very far during his term.
>
> Clinton thought it was a good idea so took up the
> crusade after he was elected.
> >From the Wiki:
> There was considerable opposition on both sides of the
> border, but in the United States it was able to secure
> passage after President Bill Clinton made its passage
> a major legislative initiative in 1993. After intense
> political debate and the negotiation of several side
> agreements, the US House passed NAFTA by 234-200 (132
> Republicans and
> 102 Democrats voting in favor) and the US Senate
> passed it by 61-38.
> End From the Wiki.
>
> The current outsourcing stuff started with Clinton
> too. It was already well under way in 2000. The
> outsourcing didn't require any new laws to be passed.
> It exploited loopholes, precedents set with NAFTA, and
> the lack of laws concerning labor export.
>
> I am afraid you can't blame the current president for
> this one... The current president may not be
> everyone's favorite president, but let's at least keep
> the facts straight and not twist history.
>
> Bush inherited these two things from your man Clinton,
> along with the Dot Com bubble. Give credit where it's
> due.
>
> -Viz
>
>
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