Date: Tue Apr 25 23:34:51 2006
From: crypticmauler at linuxmail.org (CrYpTiC MauleR)
Subject: What is wrong with schools these days?

I run Ubuntu (for my girlfriend's computer), nUbuntu (for learning), Windows (for school's software), and Trustix (for server). Of course all are behind a hardware firewall and properly configured and patched as far as I know. But who knows maybe I have been hacked and dont know about it, or maybe I havent, I mean no system is secure unless it has no access to any external network. So on this subject everyone is right in their own way. Lets all get along =o)

> For Pauls next trick, he'll have you all believing that President Bush is a
> genius.

Didn't you know he was? I thought everyone got that email from DHS. Maybe was just spam =oP





> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "zap zoid" <zoidenator@...il.com>
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] What is wrong with schools these days?
> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:54:57 -0700
> 
> 
>   Since when is Zone-H an authoritative source.
> 
> For Pauls next trick, he'll have you all believing that President Bush is a
> genius.
> 
> Paul, maybe for CrYpTic the statement holds true. Do you know him
> personally? Have your broken into any of his linux boxen? Maybe he doesn't
> run linux but rather HPUX, IRIX, Solaris, OpenSolaris or even Windows.
> 
> Just because your users are idiots doesn't mean CrYpTic is an idiot.
> 
> You seem overly agitated today, are you getting ready to launch an attack?
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/25/06, Paul Schmehl <pauls@...allas.edu> wrote:
> >
> > CrYpTiC MauleR wrote:
> > > All you had to say was Microsoft =oP
> > >
> > That's hilarious.  The number one defaced website OS is Linux.  (See
> > Zone-H.org if you don't believe me.)
> >
> > The number one problem I have here is unix boxes.  You know why?
> > Because a lot of open-source bozos run around claiming unix is more
> > secure than Windows.  So a lot of clueless people think that, if they
> > just set up a RedHat box, they won't have anything to worry about.
> >
> > Ask them what that little red ball with the X in it is - you know - the
> > one flashing up there in the taskbar- and they'll say I dunno.
> >
> > No OS is secure by default.  No OS can remain secure if it's not
> > properly configured and maintained.  Look at your box right now.  How
> > many of you have inetd or xinetd running?  Why?  What services does it
> > provide that you need?  Do you even know what chargen or rpc.statd is?
> > If not, why are they running (if they are)?  How many of you have a
> > workstation running with more than just ssh enabled and *no* firewall
> > running?
> >
> > You name the OS, and I can tell you of at least one incident of hacking.
> >   We haven't had a Windows box hacked in a long time.  The last five
> > were two Macs and three RedHat boxes.  Does that mean Macs and RedHat
> > are insecure?  NO!  It means, until the general public understands the
> > problem and knows what the solution is, hacking will continue apace with
> > no sign of letting up.
> >
> > The real problem is ignorance.
> >
> > --
> > Paul Schmehl (pauls@...allas.edu)
> > Adjunct Information Security Officer
> > The University of Texas at Dallas
> > http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
> >
> >
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