full-disclosure - **LosseChange::Debunk it??**

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0605170542370.20520@matrix.coldrain.net>
Date: Wed May 17 10:44:29 2006
From: bruen at coldrain.net (bruen@...drain.net)
Subject: **LosseChange::Debunk it??**



   The real problem was the amount of fuel carried by the airplanes. The 
WTC incident involved *large* quantities of fuel which created tremendous 
heat when it all exploded.

               regards, bob


On Wed, 17 May 2006, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu wrote:

> On Wed, 17 May 2006 01:45:06 EDT, ducki3 said:
>
>> that WT Center 7 which wasn't even hit by a plane collapsed due to
>> fire from debris when hundreds of buildings in the past burned for
>> days without collapsing.
>
> There's also tens of thousands of buildings that burned down when
> the building next to them was burning.  See the Chicago Fire (allegedly
> started by Mrs O'Leary's cow), or any case of a row of warehouses burning
> down...
>
>>                         Hell a plane hit the Empire state building.
>> It never collapsed.
>
> The Empire State Building was hit by a B-25 Mitchell bomber. Stats:
>
> Length: 52 ft 11 in (16.1 m)
> Wingspan: 67 ft 6 in (20.6 m)
> Height: 17 ft 7 in (4.8 m)
> Empty weight: 21,120 lb (9,580 kg)
> Loaded weight: 33,510 lb (15,200 kg)
> Maximum speed: 275 mph (239 knots, 442 km/h)
> Cruise speed: 230 mph (200 knots, 370 km/h)
>
> OK? Fully loaded, the thing only weighed 10 times my Toyota Camry.
>
> The WTC towers were hit by Boeing 767s. Stats:
>
> Lenth: 159 to 201 feet, depending on model (-200 to -400)
> Wingspan: 156 to 170 feet.
> Height: 52 feet
> Empty weight: 164,000 to 227,000 lb
> Loaded weight: 300,000 to 450,000 lb.
> Cruise speed: 540 mph.
>
> Now we're talking something 100 to 150 times the weight of my Camry.
>
> And you're surprised that a plane that weighs 10 to 15 times as much, and
> cruising at twice the speed, does a lot more damage when it hits?
>
> Crash a 2,000 pound compact car going 30 miles per hour into your house.
> Measure the hole created.
>
> Then crash a 20,000 pound tractor-trailer going 60mph into your house.
> Measure the hole created.
>
> What was your point again?
>

-- 
Dr. Robert Bruen
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