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Date: Thu May 18 07:14:01 2006
From: michaelslists at gmail.com (Michael Silk)
Subject: blue security folds

On 5/18/06, Gaddis, Jeremy L. <jeremy@...uxwiz.net> wrote:
> nocfed wrote:
> > And if the ISP's could get their act together then most of the botnets
> > would be no more.  This _IS_ something that can be controlled, to an
> > extent.  Many of the network administrators need a course in
> > Networking 101 which will greatly assist in tracking down the source
> > of attacks.  If botnets are required to use their own IP's then how
> > hard would it really be to track them down and disable them?
> > Disruption of the end users connection and a flag on their account
> > should clean them up, although not 100%.  So if you want someone to
> > blame, blame the ISP, blame the hosting service, and blame the end
> > user.
>
> While I agree (mostly), getting the ISPs to do what you suggest will
> never happen.  If I, Joe Clueless User, have a bot running on my PC
> spamming half the world, and my ISP notices this and shuts me off, what
> will I do?  Assuming I'm like the majority of users and either a) don't
> know, or b) don't care what they're talking about, I'll cancel my
> account and switch to another ISP (that won't shut me off).  To do what
> you suggest would be for the greater good of the whole "Internet
> community", but would negatively affect $ISP's bottom line.  Since we
> all know they only care about themselves, well, draw your own conclusions...

would you really be bothered switching? no.


what if you called up, and the isp told you you have a trojan. they
could then on-sell you adaware, or give you advice about microsofts
spyware remover, or whichever spyware program wanted to pay them the
most.


come on isps, make yourself some extra money! sell spyware removal
product placement to the bigboys (when is google going to get in on
this anyway; i want to "search" for spyware. organise _THAT_.), and
show some love for the internet at the same time.

-- Michael