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Message-ID: <446CF1DC.1030309@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu May 18 23:15:05 2006
From: stevex11 at sbcglobal.net (Steve Kudlak)
Subject: blue security folds

Teenaged have always been the best things that have happened to my 
mnachines. I swear I have learned how to fix, find and debug more 
thingss via the things they havbe accidentally installed on my machines 
than any of the standardtext book ways/ ALso teaching them how to do 
tghings has really helped me keep my up and improve my skills. So I 
guess La Dimpulz Speed of Light Fingers is a blesing in disguise almost 
all of the time. Actually, a "here's what's going on, he is why it is 
bad and he is what you can do to help work wonders most of the time..

Mostly I blame the "you don't need to know nothing about the technology 
culture"  we are slipping into We get old "get this network magic" power 
toy and it will arrange it so so you can do things with a few clicks of 
the mouse and not knowing anything about how anything really works. What 
would be nice is a tool like that with a manual that explain how thing 
actually work with when you do those few clicks of the mouse.

Have Fun,
Sends Steve



evilrabbi wrote:

> Actually at the ISP I work for we do monitor for botnet activity. It's 
> really not that hard to notice them either. You really have to not 
> know anything or just not care to miss the traffic.  I've cut off more 
> then one use because of issues like. After cutting them off I'll give 
> them a call and tell them why, offer proof, explain the proof (ie make 
> them type ipconfig /all so they can see their mac address because it 
> adds validity in their eyes), then I refer them to a computer store we 
> also own. Generally they are happy that we noticed so they can get 
> their machines cleaned up.
>
> On 5/17/06, *Gaddis, Jeremy L.* <jeremy@...uxwiz.net 
> <mailto:jeremy@...uxwiz.net>> wrote:
>
>     nocfed wrote:
>     > And if the ISP's could get their act together then most of the
>     botnets
>     > would be no more.  This _IS_ something that can be controlled, to an
>     > extent.  Many of the network administrators need a course in
>     > Networking 101 which will greatly assist in tracking down the source
>     > of attacks.  If botnets are required to use their own IP's then how
>     > hard would it really be to track them down and disable them?
>     > Disruption of the end users connection and a flag on their account
>     > should clean them up, although not 100%.  So if you want someone to
>     > blame, blame the ISP, blame the hosting service, and blame the end
>     > user.
>
>     While I agree (mostly), getting the ISPs to do what you suggest will
>     never happen.  If I, Joe Clueless User, have a bot running on my PC
>     spamming half the world, and my ISP notices this and shuts me off,
>     what
>     will I do?  Assuming I'm like the majority of users and either a)
>     don't
>     know, or b) don't care what they're talking about, I'll cancel my
>     account and switch to another ISP (that won't shut me off).  To do
>     what
>     you suggest would be for the greater good of the whole "Internet
>     community", but would negatively affect $ISP's bottom line.  Since we
>     all know they only care about themselves, well, draw your own
>     conclusions...
>
>     -j
>
>     --
>     Jeremy L. Gaddis
>     GCWN, MCP, Linux+, Network+
>     http://www.jeremygaddis.com/
>
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