Message-ID: <447565BF.7000009@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu May 25 09:07:37 2006
From: stevex11 at sbcglobal.net (Steve Kudlak)
Subject: I'm ready to tell the police (Note I was goiong
	to retire from this one but I thought it deserves at least a sensible
	reply with real information

n3td3v wrote:

> On 5/22/06, Michael Silk <michaelslists@...il.com> wrote:
>
>> yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show.
>>
>>
>> i'd watch it ...
>>
>
>
> You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd
> treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees
> at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my
> local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a
> major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand
> myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo
>
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The problem is that thing that go whoosh by on the Internet these days 
are often pretty out there so often eveyone gets covered by the same 
broad brush whenver one believes/behaves strongly about something. I 
haven't followed all of this but if you think you can prove your point 
or convince some ADA (Assistant DA)  to do something go try it. Santa 
Clara Countys DAs aee known to be gung ho, although in police work it is 
street work and gangs and all that stuff that is excitintg to them. The 
arcance goings on in Internet Companies is often seen by them as 
something that is the proverbial hard nut to crack and so unless it gets 
attached to some hot button issue like (sigh**3) terrorism then it 
doesn't go anywhere.  Usually such investigations require that computer 
experts have to be brought in from outside and they have to be dealt 
with, unless the FBI can be gotten to be interested. Also if the charge 
is generally that company A's employees or "your" (as in you plural) are 
in some small cabal stealing company secrets it is often viewed by many 
law enforcement types as the rough and tumble of business and is seen as 
halfway  "normal" or  "disgusting but it's mpt  like gang warfare man"  
or  not such a  bread and  butter of  law enforcement sadly like drug 
enforcement has become.  White Collar types never seem really evil 
unless there  is a real Patrick Bateman out there;) too many people. 
Patrick  Bateman is figment of Bret Easton Ellis' imaagfination and that 
is something one's accusation have to rise above in order to action out 
of the autorities, in the case here you are talking about ADAs which is 
assistant district attorneys who are the people you should try to bend 
the ear of. However mira! vide infra! (Look Out Below!;)

So that's what you are up against. That and being labeled as the 
disgruntled employee who for personal and emotional reasons just wants 
to bring people down. Many a law enforcement type has got into some 
investigation beased on someone's say so and they put lots of effort 
into it and it came to nothing.  The Law Enforecemnt types want to know 
real clear details of wrongdoing, although they will listen a lot 
sometimes. It has to be something real that has real details that 
doesn't sound like a movie plot of  spooky geek psychos from hells in 
secret cabals to do spooky stuff a la Swordfish (the movie) which is 
kind of what your accusations sound like right now to me.

Note a plea from us civil liberties types. If you are serious plesae try 
to get your facts straight and don't spike it with a hot button issue to 
get their attention like terroism or child pornography and sex crimes 
with children or other legal attention getters unless there is factual 
truth to it. Note even here the powers that be got burned dealing with 
tech land. Remember the Java CoIventor who the powers that be tried to 
pretty much harassed because he went to visit some yount thing via his 
private jet and how there was a big furor and it all fell apart on the 
authorities side. Note Well from all information we have this was the 
correct thing because it was just a geek being geeky and running off to 
see someone he wanted to chat with and din't care if she was 11 or 111 
but just had some neat ideas. So please don't spike your ideas with 
something hot just to get their attention.

right now I will be honestg, it does sound like a conspiracy story with 
tales of  "black hats" and a secert cabal that sets out to get people 
hired based on their relationship to the secret cabal who are set up to 
do things based in something liike "black hat social culture" and the 
accusations is like trrading in yahoo secrets to Google, well without 
proof the mind boggles.  It is not like the internal knowledge of yahoo 
is state secrets of any of the large powerful countries in the world.


Please done't muddy the water by spreading clouds of unpoved or 
unprovable accusations, we are already dealing with a word in which hot 
button issue worriess, like terrorism here, and terrorism and especially 
paedophilia in the UK have really got prosecutors and The Crown in the 
UK having too much power already and causing lots of subtle but very 
real and often very brutal civil  liberties erosion and this should be 
stgopped not fed. A lot of this is based on absurd accusations from 
people whose idea of reality is very flexible and somewhat questionable. 
Please don't be one of them. I can understand not wanting to disclose 
details under the fear thatg things could get hidden but in general I 
hope you really have more details that your shadowy accusations posted 
to the list of a secret cabal of black hats doing evil deeds. Please 
make sure there is something more to this. In the past I have had to 
sort through questionable dealing and accusations of x against y about z 
that never did rise to the point where anything should be done and I did 
in indeed say "No, not on my watch, you need real proof before things 
can be done..." Anyway Good Luck and make sure you've got a real case, 
go talk to an ADA and indeed tell us what happened and we will watch and 
see what happens.


Have Fun,
Sends Steve

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