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Date: Sat Jun  3 21:01:20 2006
From: hdw at kallisti.se (Anders B Jansson)
Subject: n3td3v bashers on FD

But most of us can create complete sentences, and you can't.

You have appeared like an obnoxious troll, and you continue to appear as one.

As being way too old I can still understand your wish to be regarded serious but I'm sorry, you are a complete moron, and you you have failed every test.

You might be professionals, but you are obvious morons.
Why don't you keep your precious 0days to your own group and just
let the rest of us suffer lacking your divine revelations.

But could you please let us morons suffer in peace?
We would do so much better if we never heard of your 'leet gang
ever again.

// hdw
  
n3td3v wrote:
> We're the biggest security group around, theres nothing you can say to
> change that. We are professionals who work at the major dot-coms and
> earn all the money, you people are just stupid. You call us lame but
> look at you. None of you have released vulnerabilites. None of you are
> at the cutting edge of hacking, we're at the frontline of new tactics
> to hack application and network security. You guys are just the people
> sitting and waiting for hackers to post code so you can write about us
> on securityfocus.com and news.com. Joris Evers and Robert Lemos
> (Symantec/CNET) are making money out of everything posted on this
> list, thats why they are multi million dollar corporations. They hate
> to see this list disrupted, because they can't make money while n3td3v
> bashing activity is underway. They hate to see their profit margins
> dipping, they don't like to see there mail box filled with propaganda
> for the biggest international non-profit group around. They want us to
> leave the list so they can make money from their software to sell to
> people. We're seen as the enemy...
> Not only do Symantec and CNET hate us, script kids hate us as well,
> because while the bashing is going on, no one is posting "free exploit
> code" for them to deface web sites with. Hahaha. The Script kids and
> Symantec/ CNETare the ones who hate n3td3v, all the real hackers are
> on the side of n3td3v, its all about money at the end of the day. The
> people who can hack their own zero-day don't care if n3td3v posts to
> FD or not, its only script kids and Symantec CNET who care, because
> without FD, they wouldnt have any other source of information to know
> whats going on. These people need FD, its like a life line to them, if
> it wasn't for FD, Symantec wouldn't know what was going on and neither
> would CNET, they wouldn't know what hackers were upto without FD and
> Bugtraq list.
> 
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