full-disclosure - Re: blocking tor is not the right way forward. It may just be the right way backward.

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Message-ID: <20060609160112.GD29711@darkover.org>
Date: Fri Jun  9 17:00:39 2006
From: rodrigob at darkover.org (Rodrigo Barbosa)
Subject: Re: blocking tor is not the right way forward.
	It may just be the right way backward.

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On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 11:47:59AM -0400, Michael Holstein wrote:
> >again, redirecting a tor user to a 403 requires you to sit and think up of
> >a workaround. perhaps you aren't able to come up with one or you don't
> >want to take the time/effort. this means i've effectively deterred you from
> >using tor to get to the website. now if you care about the website more
> >than your privacy, you'd not use tor. if you cared about privacy more,
> >you'd not visit the site. you've been deterred from visiting the site
> >anonymously. which means it worked. how many people will spend more
> >time in order to visit the site?
> 
> As an avid supporter of TOR (and previous operator of a multi-megabit 
> exit node), I do this all the time.
> 
> I'm going to be anonymous dammit, and I don't care what the other side 
> thinks. The harder you try to keep us out, the harder we work to get 
> around it. This is a technical battle you'll never win, because there 
> are more idealists that believe in privacy than there are un-clued 
> admins (and LEO) that think otherwise.

I'm sorry Michael, but you are a fanatic, in the worst possible
meaning of the word.

I too am a defender of privacy. I use lots of privacy plugins on
my browser, encrypt e-mails with GPG, and sometimes even use Tor
when going to some sites from companies with questionable reputation.
I too would fight like mad if the government (any) decided to ban Tor
or any other privacy tool. That is nothing wrong with that.

But remember your rights stop when the rights of others start. So,
if a give admin wants people who use Tor to be blocked from his
particular site, it is his right. I might not agree with it, but
I'll defend his right to do so. After all, it is his site. If he
was to do that (and makes a clear statement that he is doing so),
he will be loosing users perhaps, but it is his call.

What rights do you have over other people's networks and sites ?
What rights do you have to circunvect the decisions they made ?
If you don't like what the way they are doing things, go somewhere
else. No one is forcing you to stop using Tor or being anonymous.

- -- 
Rodrigo Barbosa
"Quid quid Latine dictum sit, altum viditur"
"Be excellent to each other ..." - Bill & Ted (Wyld Stallyns)

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