full-disclosure - SSL VPNs and security

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Message-ID: <BAY101-F372F049324E20BF3FE23C6DD8C0@phx.gbl>
Date: Wed Jun 14 00:49:12 2006
From: sixsigma98 at hotmail.com (Ray P)
Subject: SSL VPNs and security

Why do I keep reading that "IPSec provides full network connectivity"? SC 
Magazine just repeated this nonsense.

It only does that if you have it configured that way. Even Microsoft's PPTP 
& L2TP "free" stuff can be limited. And you can configure an SSL VPN to do 
likewise.

Ray

>From: Q-Ball <qballus@...il.com>
>To: Tim <tim-security@...tinelchicken.org>
>CC: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
>Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] SSL VPNs and security
>Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:13:45 +1000
>
>SSL VPNs have their legitimate place as does IPSec. Personally, I'd rather
>that travelling exec's who need to log on from a public Internet terminal,
>dont have full IP connectivity into the network, but maybe that's just me.
>
>Q-Ball
>
>On 6/10/06, Tim <tim-security@...tinelchicken.org> wrote:
>>
>> > That depends on whether the solution tries to solve single-sign-on
>> > problems as well.  If the vendor is trying to handle SSO in such an
>> > environment, then they are probably using domain cookies.  The
>> > problems are exactly the same as the ones Michal listed, plus some
>> > additional ones specific to domain cookies.
>>
>>Right, that does make it difficult.  There's probably work arounds, but
>>they may be browser-specific.  Wildcard cookies, cookies set to other
>>origins, or somehow setting document.domain back to the base domain
>>after the initial page load might help, but some would probably present
>>the same problem.
>>
>>The web was never designed for complex application development.  At
>>least, web standards aren't.  Use a real VPN.
>>
>>cheers,
>>tim
>>
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