Message-ID: <e5c44eea0610301147u4ee41fdfnd2bb974038e2bc50@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:47:15 -0500
From: bf <illuminatus.master@...il.com>
To: "Gadi Evron" <ge@...uxbox.org>
Cc: botnets@...testar.linuxbox.org, full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk,
	bugtraq@...urityfocus.com, phishing@...testar.linuxbox.org
Subject: Re: [botnets] [funsec] Haxdoor: UK Police Count 8,
	500 Victims in Data Theft (So Far) (fwd)

"So, knowing full-well security is out of our hands, and relies on the
security of our users. Knowing full-well that the same technology can be
used to bypass 2-factor authentication, how do organizations handle their
own security, if they are to have clients?"

Organizations make attempts to protect the resources immediately under
their control and the losses incured by end user compromise are
written off as a loss. Indeed, this sort of loss is so hard to
quantify that the end user and "affected organization" (Bank for
example) have no way of knowing how or why the account or identity of
the end user was ever compromised.

IE:
End user: "Wow my identity was stolen, how did that happen?"

Bank: "No problem, we'll issue you a new card/account/what-have-you.

But you know this already.

On 10/24/06, Gadi Evron <ge@...uxbox.org> wrote:
> To report a botnet PRIVATELY please email: c2report@...tf.org
> ----------
> So, here we go. Real-life uses for vulnerabilities.
>
> Below is an example of just ONE "drop-zone" server in the
> United States, which has "600 financial companies and banks".
>
> Several gigs of data.
>
> How do these things work?
>
> They get installed by the use of a web vulnerability, an email attachment
> of network scanning, utilizing several vulnerabilitie.
>
> One drop zone, and all this noise gets made. I am very happy to hear that
> the UK police (which are good people) are doing something about this,
> however, banks, eCommerce sites, dating sites, etc. all get attacked by
> these things, by the users being infected.
>
> These trojan horses use rootkit technology, with a hook, using man in the
> middle attacks to bypass the SSL encryption, and steal any HTTPS
> credentials they come across.
>
> These things are so wide-spread, this news item made me raise my eye-brow,
> at first.
>
> So, knowing full-well security is out of our hands, and relies on the
> security of our users. Knowing full-well that the same technology can be
> used to bypass 2-factor authentication, how do organizations handle their
> own security, if they are to have clients?
>
> The point is, though, that this is a well planned operation, with new
> samples being released with new vulnerabilities to exploit,
> constantly. This should not be considered a "one time cease" or a "lost
> laptop containing private data".
>
> This is what vulnerabilities are about - the damage and operations they
> are used for.
>
>        Gadi.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 21:24:20 GMT
> From: Fergie <fergdawg@...zero.net>
> To: funsec@...uxbox.org
> Subject: [funsec] Haxdoor: UK Police Count 8,
>     500 Victims in Data Theft (So Far)
>
> Via InfoWorld.
>
> [snip]
>
> British electronic-crime detectives are investigating a massive data
> theft operation that stole sensitive information from 8,500 people in
> the U.K. and others in some 60 countries, officials said Tuesday.
>
> In total, cybercriminals targeted 600 financial companies and banks,
> according to U.K. authorities, who have worked over the past week to
> identify and notify victims.
>
> Through intelligence sources, U.K. police were given several gigabytes
> of data -- around 130,00 files -- that came from a server in the U.S.,
> said Charlie McMurdie, detective chief inspector for the Specialist
> Crime Directorate e-Crime Unit of the London Metropolitan Police. Most
> of the data related to financial information, she said.
>
> The data was collected by a malicious software program nicknamed
> Haxdoor that infected victims' computers. Some 2,300 machines were
> located in the U.K. McMurdie said.
>
> [snip]
>
> More:
> http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/10/24/HNukdatatheft_1.html
>
> - ferg
>
>
> --
> "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
>  Engineering Architecture for the Internet
>  fergdawg(at)netzero.net
>  ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
>
>
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