full-disclosure - Re: iDefense Q-1 2007 Challenge -I WILL BUY FOR MORE

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Message-ID: <45B0168B.3090901@rs-labs.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 01:53:31 +0100
From: Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez <roman@...labs.com>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk
Subject: Re: iDefense Q-1 2007 Challenge -I WILL BUY FOR
 MORE

Then you cannot assure that your buyer will make an ethical use of the
exploit. So what's the real difference against selling it to another people
(known or "unknown", where "unknown" could be black-hats, script-kiddies or
whoever making the higher bid)? The receipt? :) I mean, if I (as a
researcher) don't mind what the exploit will be used for, I'd simply look
for the higher bidder (I guess).

And you didn't really answer my former two questions... Please, could you
provide some specific examples of typical ways to justify ROI? Which is the
typical profile/s of enterprise/s buying exploits? (without naming
particular enterprises, of course).

Simon Smith escribió:
> Oh, 
>     About your ROI question, that varies per buyer. I am not usually told
> about why a buyer needs something as that's none of my business.
> 
> On 1/18/07 4:22 AM, "Roman Medina-Heigl Hernandez" <roman@...labs.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Simon Smith escribió:
>>> Amen!
>>>     KF is 100% on the money. I can arrange the legitimate purchase of most
>>> working exploits for significantly more money than iDefense, In some cases
>>> over $75,000.00 per purchase. The company that I am working with has a
>>> relationship with a legitimate buyer, all transactions are legal. If you're
>> <naive>
>>
>> I was wondering which kind of (legal) enterprises/organizations would pay
>> $75000 for a simple (or not so simple) exploit.
>> - governmental organizations (defense? DoD? FBI? ...)
>> - firms offering high-profiled pen-testing services?
>> - ... ?
>>
>> What about the ROI for such investment?
>>
>> </naive>
>>
>> Regards,
>> -Roman
>>
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Saludos,
-Roman

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